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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Looking for more info re: Maud Evans nee SMITH, b. June 1891 in Tipton/Dudley
« on: Tuesday 13 April 21 11:47 BST (UK) »Unfortunately with a name like Smith the marriage certificate is really the safest way to go to be sure of the right lady.
Do you have her exact date of birth from the record you have found?
I feared as much
I do, her date of birth is listed as 27 July 1891 on the 1939 register
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Family History Beginners Board / Looking for more info re: Maud Evans nee SMITH, b. June 1891 in Tipton/Dudley
« on: Tuesday 13 April 21 11:28 BST (UK) »
Hoping somebody could give me any ideas to push through a recent sticking point in my family history searches!
My great great grandparents were William Evans, b. Jan 1888 in West Bromwich and Maud Smith, b. Jun 1891, location unknown.
I found them on the 1939 register (which is where I retrieved most of my factual info). I also found their marriage index - they married Oct-Dec 1912 in Dudley.
I've exhausted all of my searching skills, and haven't got very far with finding Maud in any records prior to 1912. I don't have the budget to purchase any records at the moment, so can't purchase the marriage record to view father's info on there.
I found a Maud SMITH in 1911 census that I suspect could be my Maud - at 11-12 Swan Row, Coseley (The Swan Pub) with 3 siblings. Maud and William went on to be publicans of Prince of Wales in Tipton, 1 Bloomfield Rd (William Evans listed as licensee) and many family stories are told about Maud, as a landlady. But I thought this was likely my wishful thinking at it's finest
Does anyone have any ideas? Some branches just seem to discover themselves, and others need a bit more brain power, don't they!
Thanks in advance
My great great grandparents were William Evans, b. Jan 1888 in West Bromwich and Maud Smith, b. Jun 1891, location unknown.
I found them on the 1939 register (which is where I retrieved most of my factual info). I also found their marriage index - they married Oct-Dec 1912 in Dudley.
I've exhausted all of my searching skills, and haven't got very far with finding Maud in any records prior to 1912. I don't have the budget to purchase any records at the moment, so can't purchase the marriage record to view father's info on there.
I found a Maud SMITH in 1911 census that I suspect could be my Maud - at 11-12 Swan Row, Coseley (The Swan Pub) with 3 siblings. Maud and William went on to be publicans of Prince of Wales in Tipton, 1 Bloomfield Rd (William Evans listed as licensee) and many family stories are told about Maud, as a landlady. But I thought this was likely my wishful thinking at it's finest
Does anyone have any ideas? Some branches just seem to discover themselves, and others need a bit more brain power, don't they!
Thanks in advance
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Aberdeenshire / Re: Help with tracing back to Scotland from England: Alexander STEWART, b. 1922
« on: Sunday 14 March 21 14:58 GMT (UK) »
Thank you so much to everyone for all your help!! This community never fails to amaze me
I'm not sure why I was having so much trouble - it always seems the way with your own searches doesn't it! You've given me some fantastic jumping off points, and I've been able to share things with our family previously uknown.
Thank you so much!!
I'm not sure why I was having so much trouble - it always seems the way with your own searches doesn't it! You've given me some fantastic jumping off points, and I've been able to share things with our family previously uknown.
Thank you so much!!
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Aberdeenshire / Help with tracing back to Scotland from England: Alexander STEWART, b. 1922
« on: Saturday 13 March 21 11:41 GMT (UK) »
I'm having some difficulty finding any further information about my partner's grandfather.
I do know he was born 1922 in Peterhead, Aberdeenshire (I do have full DOB). He went on to study medicine at University of Aberdeen, graduating 1946, and married my partner's grandmother in 1955 in Lancashire, then remaining in England.
I am specifically trying to find a possible 1939 census record for him (which may be too difficult due to the popularity of his name), but am having no luck finding these records.
Can anyone better versed in Scottish ancestry help at all? Or does anyone have any other search ideas for gaining information? I have read that Uni of Aberdeen keep various yearbooks/attendance records open book, but we live in England, so even outside of Covid-19, it's not realistic for us to visit.
Thank you in advance!
I do know he was born 1922 in Peterhead, Aberdeenshire (I do have full DOB). He went on to study medicine at University of Aberdeen, graduating 1946, and married my partner's grandmother in 1955 in Lancashire, then remaining in England.
I am specifically trying to find a possible 1939 census record for him (which may be too difficult due to the popularity of his name), but am having no luck finding these records.
Can anyone better versed in Scottish ancestry help at all? Or does anyone have any other search ideas for gaining information? I have read that Uni of Aberdeen keep various yearbooks/attendance records open book, but we live in England, so even outside of Covid-19, it's not realistic for us to visit.
Thank you in advance!
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Dublin / Re: Advice dealing with a dead-end - Looking for birth of maternal grandmother
« on: Wednesday 07 October 20 09:32 BST (UK) »
Ugh, thank you so much! I had interpreted the 7 as a 9 
and yes, definitely March, that was a silly typing error on my part!
To reiterate, Mary Catherine Boylan:
b. 1/10/1909
m. 27/6/1936
d. 12/3/1966
and yes, definitely March, that was a silly typing error on my part!
To reiterate, Mary Catherine Boylan:
b. 1/10/1909
m. 27/6/1936
d. 12/3/1966
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Dublin / Re: Advice dealing with a dead-end - Looking for birth of maternal grandmother
« on: Wednesday 07 October 20 08:51 BST (UK) »
Do you know Mary Catherine’s date of birth?
Could she have married?
Mary Catherine's date of birth was 1/10/1909.
Also, in yesterday's digging I managed to find a marriage cert. that seems to definitely be her - married John Maxwell on 29/6/1936 at Church of St. Agatha. Margaret Boylan (sister/mother) was a witness.
I also found record of her death - 12/5/1966 in Donnycarney, of carcinoma of the bladder.
Think the witness at eileen's marriage could be Anne Boylan.
Yes, that's how I interpreted it, after a short time wondering if it said Aine (the lovely cursive handwriting can sometimes be a challenge!)
I phoned up GRONI, you could phone the Irish equivalent.
You have their exact date of birth, so just explain what you know and see what they can suggest.
Interesting! I will definitely look into what the equivalent is!
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Dublin / Re: Advice dealing with a dead-end - Looking for birth of maternal grandmother
« on: Tuesday 06 October 20 16:50 BST (UK) »Jane is the more common form of the name in Ireland than Jean or perhaps her birth was registered originally with another Christian name or even without a name having been chosen.
This did cross my mind - whether Jane/Jean could have been used interchangeably, or could have caused confusion when registering i.e. could have been registered Jane although the parents chose the name Jean (I've heard many tales of new fathers wondering off to register their children and spelling names wrong and all sorts!
) This didn't seem to bring anything up at my initial search, but something I should definitely revisit with fresh eyes.
Even if you had all the paper evidence by your writings and family gossip it sounds very much like she was the daughter of the what were thought if as one of her siblings.
I'm glad you agree with my hunch! Having discovered that her assumed 'father' passed well before her birth, thanks to @heywood, this seems even more likely. I also remember Jean to be an avid Watford City Football Club fan (UK) and it seemed no-one knew why our typical elderly Irish relative was so passionate about the club. So I went out on a limb and even checked Watford, and Hertfordshire more generally for any "Jean"s born 1928, but nothing.
Margaret’s marriage
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1938/08889/5215054.pdf
Ah! I found Eileen's marriage cert but not Margaret's! Yes it definitely seems that St. Agatha's could have been the family church, as we know at least two of the sisters married there.
Annie married a Joe Herron, but I don't know when. I wonder if they were married there, too.
You could try contacting the church to check for a baptism record. Responses vary but you never know. Both Margaret and Eileen married at St Agatha’s.
I have read of people contacting churches but was unsure if inquiries like this are usual practise/is well received from churches...but if it is a "done" thing, then I don't suppose there's much harm in a polite request!
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Dublin / Re: Advice dealing with a dead-end - Looking for birth of maternal grandmother
« on: Tuesday 06 October 20 14:18 BST (UK) »
My grandmother told me about her mother's 'parents' - Patrick and Margaret Boylan, so I assumed they raised her - that is until we just discovered that Patrick died the year before Jean's birth. My grandmother said that she met/knew Margaret in her childhood and remembers her passing away (which I found record of: 6/10/1956), and described Patrick as her grandfather but that 'he had died before she was born'.
I have only been able to view the marriage index on Family Search, which only shows month & year, so I don't know who her father was recorded as on the cert. This is the marriage of Jean Boylan and Colm (Columbus) Gaynor, July 1946, N. Dublin.
I am fairly certain she was the only family member to emigrate (I have personal/anecdotal evidence that the other Boylan sisters lived and died in Dublin). One of the sisters - Mary Catherine Boylan - was unknown by my grandmother, and so she may have continued to live and emigrate, but I suspect she may have died as a child but haven't been able to evidence this...unless she is part of this story, and became estranged for one reason or another...
I've just searched the index you suggested for any "Jean"s born in 1928, and found nothing useful - I thought perhaps if Margaret went on to have another child after her husband's death/one of the sisters had had her, that it would have flagged something up.
I have only been able to view the marriage index on Family Search, which only shows month & year, so I don't know who her father was recorded as on the cert. This is the marriage of Jean Boylan and Colm (Columbus) Gaynor, July 1946, N. Dublin.
I am fairly certain she was the only family member to emigrate (I have personal/anecdotal evidence that the other Boylan sisters lived and died in Dublin). One of the sisters - Mary Catherine Boylan - was unknown by my grandmother, and so she may have continued to live and emigrate, but I suspect she may have died as a child but haven't been able to evidence this...unless she is part of this story, and became estranged for one reason or another...
I've just searched the index you suggested for any "Jean"s born in 1928, and found nothing useful - I thought perhaps if Margaret went on to have another child after her husband's death/one of the sisters had had her, that it would have flagged something up.
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