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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Money Bank Turnbull
« on: Monday 04 March 24 17:29 GMT (UK)  »
Good call. Will see what I can find.

I can see on Ancestry a Frederick William Trombull b abt. 1873 baptized at South Shields, Durham, England 1873. Son of Margaret and Edwin Trombull. The money box was produced in Stockton on Tees which is just down the road. So you may well be right! I will keep looking.

An uncommon surname, cannot find much else so far!

The boxes were typically made for special events, births, baptisms and marriage.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Money Bank Turnbull
« on: Monday 04 March 24 15:41 GMT (UK)  »
Hi everyone, it’s been awhile!

I am pretty good on genealogy and hand writing but this one has me stumped. A bit of background info, this pottery money bank was produced in the North East of England (Stockton-On-Tees) during the last half of the 19th century, in the year 1870. 

No help needed on the item, I am a collector of these money banks. I have one more with an inscription and have access to photographs of another 5-6 with inscriptions. The person who painted the names was fairly good!

What I am stuck on is the hand enamelled text. I read it as ‘Margret Joana Turnbull’ but would love to know what you think? Its quite possible it is 'Margret Jane Turnbull' with some writing issue with the letters that look like 'o's see below.

I cannot find this individual if it is a variant of ‘Margret Joana Turnbull’. What I have done is down break the name and compare it to hand written entries in the census etc which are pretty similar to what I think. Margret could of course be ‘Margaret’ and Joana could be ‘Joanna.’ Turnbull is the least similar but even then the only problematic letter is the connection between ‘u’ and ‘r’ which does look like an ‘o.’

Look forward to your replies.

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Thank you so much! That is them. You have done an excellent job and I would never have found it. I have been looking for years! Really appreciate yours and everyone elses help. Such a friendly forum  :)

Hi,

I think that the 1948 death might be the right one,

Arthur GIBSON    Dec Q 1948    Stoke on Trent    9b  479


As you say, in 1939 the family are living at 15 Huntilee Cottages, I found this newspaper report that looks like it refers to him,

Staffordshire Sentinel 29 November 1948


Regards,
Daisy

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I was really hoping for information on the use of the word ‘son’ in Frear’s will as to the best of my knowledge James Alan Reekie is not Frear’s biological son. I have no history with wills so did not know if my experience was common, or if most people would expect to see 'step son' listed for the relationship. I am sure there must have been some explanation with the solicitors as they do not share a surname.

I know that Arthur Gibson (b 1883) is Frear’s only child from his previous marriage. Arthur Gibson (b 1883) is my great-great-grandfather.

Anything else would be speculation as Suey sais and as we all know all sorts goes on in families  ;D

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Thanks! Frear did have a only child, Arthur Gibson. Arthur was alive in 1940 when his father died which is why I found it a bit of a surprise that Frear would leave his estate to someone he called his son who we believe is not his son, James Alan Reekie.

That's correct James Reekie died in 1907.

Frear Gibson knew James Alan Reekie from roughly 1915 to his death in 1940. Frear was living with James Alan Reekie when he died in 1940.

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Family History Beginners Board / Frear Gibson Question Regarding Wills And Children
« on: Sunday 01 January 23 15:46 GMT (UK)  »
Hi everyone. I posted this in my previous thread but it all went quiet.

A UK will from 1940 for my relative Frear Gibson. I ordered it via the Gov site.

James Alan Reekie (b 1904 – d 1974) was the sole executor and beneficiary of Frear Gibson's estate. Frear states in his will ‘ I give and bequeath all my estate..... to my son James Alan Reekie of 16 Park Road East, Ashington.’ The will was written in 1938 and Frear died in 1940.

I had always assumed he was Frear's step son as Frear married James Alan Reekie mother, Mary Simpson Reekie, née Culley (b 1871 – d 1938) in 1915. It was both Frear's and Mary's second marriage.

Do you think in the will Frear's son is listed as James Alan Reekie then that must be the case as it is a legal document? I am not sure if they would list step son etc. I also do not know if he adopted him. Please advise as a new topic for me.

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Hi everyone. Do you think in the will if Frear's son is listed as James Alan Reekie then that must be the case? I am not sure if they would list step son etc. Would be interested to here your thoughts. Cheers,

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Hi everyone. The will for Frear Gibson (d 1840), Arthur's father came through today. I had a question as I have no experience with wills.

James Alan Reekie (b 1904 – d 1974) was the sole executor and beneficiary of Frear Gibson's estate. Frear states in his will ‘ I give and bequeath all my estate..... to my son James Alan Reekie of 16 Park Road East, Ashington.’ The will was written in 1938 and Frear died in 1940. We know that his is son Arthur Gibson (b 1883 - TBC) was alive at the time, he was not mentioned in the will.

Frear married his second wife Mary Simpson Reekie, née Culley (b 1871 – d 1938) in Newcastle upon Tyne in 1915. The couple at the time of marriage were living at 56 Beaconsfield Street, Newcastle upon Tyne. 56 Beaconsfield Street, Newcastle upon Tyne was the Reekie’s family home. Mary Simpson Culley's first husband, James Reekie died in 1907.

My question. Do you think its likely that James Alan Reekie was also Frear's son due to the wording in the will? I must admit the will has taken my a bit by surprise. I knew that at the time of Frear's death he was living with James Alan Reekie and his family. I did have a quick look and in 1911 Frear and his first wife were living in the general area, at 51 Trewhitt Road, Newcastle upon tyne.

'my Son' is underlined in the will, I don't know if this has any significance.

In the 1911 census for both families, Gibson and Reekie they each only mention having 1 child born, 0 child died but I believe that is only for the most recent marriage so not sure how much use that is for children born outside of the marriage.

Any advice or information you might have on will would be greatly appreciated. Sadly no further forward with Arthur Gibson (b 1883).


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Hi Everyone. Thank you so much for your comments, particularly the post-1939 address details for Elizabeth Lucy Gibson and her mother, Elizabeth Agnes Heath, as I did not have a record of them so thank you!

I thought I would answer a few of the above replies here and provide an update! I will do some more research into addresses etc and post my findings.

Elizabeth Agnes Heath (b abt. 1883 – TBC) is indeed Elizabeth Lucy Heath’s mother.

In the electoral register from 1935, Arthur and Elizabeth Lucy Gibson are living in ‘Halfway’, Walton Park, Chertsey, Surrey. Arthurs’s mother in law, Elizabeth Agnes Heath, is also living at the address.
In the electoral register from 1938, Elizabeth and Arthur are living at 58 Addison Gardens, Hammersmith, London.

In the 1939 England and Wales Register. Arthur and Elizabeth are recorded as living at 15 Huntille Cottages, Stoke-On-Trent. Arthur’s son Arthur Frear Gibson (b 1915 – d 1975), daughter in law Violet, and granddaughter Beryl (b 1939 – d 1941) are living with them. Arthur was working as a Clerk of Works (Bldg & Public) and did this for most of his life.

Elizabeth Agnes Heath and Elizabeth Lucy Gibson

From 1936 – 1964 Arthur’s mother in law, Elizabeth Agnes Heath, lived at No. 10, basement, Clanricarde Gardens, Kensington, London. In the 1939 Register Elizabeth is working as a caretaker. No. 10, basement, Clanricarde Gardens, Kensington is a few streets away from No. 58 Addison Gardens, Hammersmith.

It would appear the Elizabeth Lucy Gibson lived with her mother at the above address for some years, likely after Arthur passed away (maybe 1948 in Stoke-on-Trent). The earliest year I could find for her living with here mother at No. 10 was 1949 and the latest date 1964.

From my initial research I found that William James Carmichael Gibson was living with/next to them for a few years, that being said I am pretty sure he was a not relation. I know that it was common to have lodgers during this period.

I have tried again to find an address for Arthur Gibson post-1939, also tried for an earlier address with Elizabeth Lucy Gibson from say 1945. Maybe some records were destroyed, not taken during WW2. May explain why we have a gap of a few years.

Unfortunately my relative does not have Arthur's daughter, Millicent's, marriage certificate from 1944. I have ordered Arthur's father, Frear's, will from 1940 so hopefully that gets emailed to me in a week or so.

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