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The Common Room / Re: Child adoption
« on: Friday 15 November 24 20:39 GMT (UK)  »
Many thanks to all three of you for adding a little more to the picture.
aghadowey - in answer to your question, the certified copy shown was issued in 2010 - the original birth was registered in 1921 and as you can see, the name was subsequently ammended - this happened within the same quater as the birth (both names appear in the Q4 1921 GRO index) but still could have been after Florence's mother's death which was in mid November 1921.

AnthonyMMM and Andy J2022 -  if I understand you correctly then the "adopted" note could only have been added after 1927 when the adoption act came into force, and I know it was before 1930 because John Brich who signed it ceased to be registrar then.  I wonder, and I guess we can only ever wonder, if there was an informal adoption in the early 1920s and then the new "parents" used the adoption act after 1927 to give Florence (maybe under a new name) some legal rights.  Was this something that commonly happened after the 1927 act was introduced?

Thanks again for your help.  Chris

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The Common Room / Re: Child adoption
« on: Thursday 14 November 24 22:11 GMT (UK)  »
Re Andy J 2022 - does that mean that "Adopted" entries on English birth certificates only appear if the adoption was after the 1926 act came into force?

And therefore there will be corresponding adoption records somewhere (though we may not be able to see them)?

I'm looking at the birth cert for my wife's aunt born late in 1921 which has an "adopted" note added by a registrar who was in post up to 1930 - so could the adoption be as late as that?

Best wishes to all.  Chris

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Westmorland / Re: 1804 Does anyone know this curate?
« on: Tuesday 21 May 24 11:03 BST (UK)  »
Thank you Graham - found him.  And found records of him officiating at 8 weddings in the two years he was at Stalmine 1786 - 88 so found images of his signature and writing via Ancestry.  Looks as if he was then at Kendal until 1804 when he became perpetual curate of Natland though CCED doesn't show the Kendal period.  Also found his baptism in the transcipt of the Heversham registers - son of Edmund of Fowlshaw House”, baptised at Heversham on 7 Mar 1762. The next entry in the transcipts suggests possibly Thomas had a sister Isabel daughter of “Edward” of “High Foulshaw House” bap 11/2/1764.  It appears that thomas and Esther had no children.
As like Thomas I have an MA from St John's Cambridge, I'll email the college office and see what record they have of him  :)
Best wishes, Chris

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Westmorland / Re: 1804 Does anyone know this curate?
« on: Monday 20 May 24 20:22 BST (UK)  »
Hello - it was a long time ago I know but this has just popped up as I search for another Thomas Briggs.  "Your" Thomas Briggs was born around 1762, married Esther Threlfall at Kendal on 31/1/1801 and was curate in Kendal until he became vicar of Natland (about 2 miles South of Kendal) in 1804.  He continued to live in the Kirkland district of Kendal and was still vicar of Natland when he died in 1815 aged 53.  There's a memorial to him pictured on Find a Grave - just says "Revd T Briggs 1815".  Esther lived until 11/2/1842 when she died aged 69 so born 1773.

As far as I know the Briggs twine spinners at Milnthorp / Heversham were a different family and eventually grew rich as Thomas Briggs (Manchester) and moved away.  Several early generations of them also appear on two graves in Heversham on Find a Grave.

Meanwhile "my" Briggs were Thomas > James > Thomas > Thomas ..... with Thomas 1 perhaps born in Slaidburn in 1734, James a joiner in Milnthorp, Thomas 2 a stone mason who moved to Macclesfield and worked on the canal and the Longendale reservoirs, then Thomas 3 became a railway "navvy" and moved around a lot leaving behind a son who married a local girl in Cheshire and stayed put eventually passing the Briggs name to my Mum's father John Briggs Lloyd.  The family always said "the Briggs came with the railway " and it turned out to be true.

Hope the bit about the Rev Thomas Briggs is useful and if you find a spare Thomas Briggs who died near Kendal around 1810 - 1820 who wasn't a rich twine spinner please let me know.

Best wishes, Chris

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Staffordshire / Re: 1701 Stoke on Trent Parish Listing
« on: Thursday 14 October 21 21:17 BST (UK)  »
Sorry - it got sent half way through ------- I guess they had left home - see the ages calculated for 1701 above.  Daniel jr who is important to our family was later in Botteslow or nearby - do you know if the listing extended that far?  I think I read somewhere that it ends suddenly somewhere around Fenton.  Many thanks again for your help

 

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Staffordshire / Re: 1701 Stoke on Trent Parish Listing
« on: Thursday 14 October 21 21:14 BST (UK)  »
Many many thanks for this, it confirms that all these are the children of the same Daniel and Jane Edwards - I had wondered if there were two families as there were so many.  I have 4 older children of D & J:
Daniel      Baptism      06 Apr 1679   <<<<      22
Katharine   Baptism      29 Aug 1680         21
John      Baptism      11 Jan 1681/2         19
Jane      Baptism      29 Jul 1683         17

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Staffordshire / Re: 1701 Stoke on Trent Parish Listing
« on: Wednesday 13 October 21 20:46 BST (UK)  »
Hello - could you please have a look for any Edwards / Edwardes in Penkhull, Hartshill, Botteslow or maybe Fenton?  I have two Daniel Edwards (father & son I think, both farmers) in ~1700 and a John Edwards in Fenton in the 1666 Hearth Tax.  Later (around 1720 ?) the family seems to have moved to Cold Norton near Chebsey.  They are ancestors of my wife's mother.
Thanks & best wishes
Chris

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Lancashire / Re: Blackburn Orphanage EDWARDS born 1921
« on: Saturday 17 July 21 22:05 BST (UK)  »
At birth Peggy Hayes Edwards, later changed to Florence Peggy Edwards.

Best wishes
Chris

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Lancashire / Re: Blackburn Orphanage EDWARDS born 1921
« on: Saturday 17 July 21 17:36 BST (UK)  »
Hi Carole

Thanks for your reply.  The older sister was my wife's mother, now deceased.  We have Florence's birth certificate which shows a name change added after registration so Florence Peggy Edwards and Peggy Hayes Edwards are one and the same person - both have the same GRO reference number too.  The older sister was brought up by her grandparents but for some reason they didn't take Florence and she went into the orphanage. 

I'll have a look for a marriage - though she may not have known her birth surname or even, in those days, that she was adopted.

Hi Rosie - yes, that's her - dob 4/10/1921.  The birth cert also carries a note that she was adopted but no date for the addition of this note.

Best wishes, Chris

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