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Surrey / Re: Sophia Holford born about 1822 in Addlestone or Chertsey- help please.
« on: Wednesday 11 November 20 08:20 GMT (UK)  »
James Robert Rolfe, born on 5th December 1840, was indeed the illegitimate son of Sophia Rolfe.  After the death of Sophia's husband, John, and that of her mother with whom James had lived since his birth, James moved in with Sophia in Edward Square, Windsor, as recorded in the 1871 census.

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World War One / Re: Missing in action.
« on: Monday 24 August 20 15:51 BST (UK)  »
In the meantime I have read "British Prisoners of War in First World War Germany" by Oliver Wilkinson.  In it the author states: "In theory, as soon as a man was captured he was given a postcard to send home which... conveyed his name, number, regiment and nature of wounds (if any)."  How soon any of these cards might reach the next of kin is unclear and notice he writes "in theory".  No one in our family has seen any such card if indeed one was sent by my grandfather.

The book is an interesting read if you are interested in finding out more about how POWs were treated and how they coped with captivity.

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The 1851 census has the family living in Mount Pleasant (or Beaumont) Cottages on a footpath called Clewer Fields, between the what remains of Oxford Road today and Bexley Street in Windsor.  That means they were only a couple of hundred yards away from where John Morton and Sophia lived in South Place.  Robert Rolfe, his wife Ann and son Thomas were there as was Robert's grandson James.  As Thomas remains unmarried, I suspect that Robert had at least one other son who was the father of James.  Unfortunately, the mother's name is not given on the record at the GRO (unusually for Windsor).  I think you will find there is no link with the Godlimans (an established Windsor family; I went to school with one them!) and that Ann is living in the same house as she had in 1851 which was next door to the Godliman family.  The numbers don't tally, but there was extensive renumbering of Windsor streets around that time.  It's an intriguing idea that James was actually Sophia's son and the lack of the mother's maiden name may be evidence for that.  I've ordered a copy of James' birth certificate from the GRO so we can see the father's details; that should help.

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Surrey / Re: Sophia Holford born about 1822 in Addlestone or Chertsey- help please.
« on: Wednesday 29 July 20 19:32 BST (UK)  »
So to sum up the state of play at the moment for anyone else who is following this topic.  All the children of John Morton and Sophia were registered with mother's maiden name given as Rolfe.  It therefore appears that the marriage certificate naming her as Sophia Holford is wrong.  If we assume that then the rest of the certificate falls into place; father Robert a cattle dealer, and witness Thomas, who appears to be Sophia's brother (see post by janfurness above).  The family of Robert Rolf (sic) is recorded in the 1841 census with Robert, his wife Ann, and three children, Sophia (21), Thomas (15) and James (six months old).  They lived in the hamlet of Dedworth, less than two miles away from Morton's butcher's shop.  Robert, Ann and Thomas are on the next census record, by then living in Mount Pleasant which seems to identify with Beaumont Cottages, Clewer Fields, Windsor.  That would put them just a couple of hundred yards away from where Sophia lived with John.

Robert Rolfe gives his birthplace as Shalford, Buckinghamshire in 1851, but there does not appear to be any such place.  There is, however, a Shalford in Surrey, not far from Guildford.  Ann, Robert's wife, gives her birthplace as Uxbridge.  Sophia gives her birthplace as Addlestone/Chertsey pretty well consistently apart from the entry in 1911 where it is given as Aylesbury.  The hunt is now on for Sophia's birth record.


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World War One / Re: Missing in action.
« on: Thursday 23 July 20 12:13 BST (UK)  »
I found details for my grandfather's being reported missing on the Forces War Records site.  The delay between capture and the next of kin being informed could be very long.  My grandfather was captured on the first or second day of the German counteroffensive on the Aisne so around the 27th May 1918 however he was not reported as missing until 27th July 1918.  A further three months passed before he was reported as a POW on 28th October.

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I hope you don’t mind my joining this discussion.  I too have been completely puzzled by Sophia Holford.  Like Gordon, I am related to Annie Maria Cox (Morton). 

Just to muddy the waters a little more, I sent for Annie’s birth certificate.  The date of birth is given as 4th November 1848, the father is recorded as John William Morton and the mother’s maiden name is given as Rolfe.  There are clearly inconsistencies here with what else is known about the family.  First, the father’s name.  That this Sophia Morton and daughter Anne (or Annie) is the one we seek seems confirmed as the address given on the birth form is 16 South Place and this is the same address recorded for the family in the 1851 census, so why is John’s middle name given as William when in 1861, the head of the same household is recorded as John T Morton?  Then there is the mother’s maiden name, Rolfe, not Holford.  I really don’t know what to think about this.  I wonder, is John’s middle name given on the marriage certificate?  Is the name Holford clearly written (I would imagine it would be as it surely appears three times)?  Do you think the registrar for the birth has made not just one but two mistakes?  Any ideas please.

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