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Devon / The parentage of James Wotton of George Nympton
« on: Thursday 18 August 22 09:34 BST (UK)  »
I seem to have a brick wall with my ancestor James Wotton 1815-1891.  He was baptized in George Nympton base child of Eliza Wotton a widow.  On his marriage certificate to Mary Bendle in 1841 he names his father as John Wotton a labourer.  However, there is no sign of an Eliza Wotton having any children with a John Wotton in George Nympton.  Checking FindMyPast, she had several children from 1805 onwards before she had James baptized in George Nympton all saying base child of Eliza Wotton a widow.  There is a marriage in 1793 between an John Wooten and Elizabeth Harward near Exeter, however, he seems to disappear before 1805.  A distant cousin told that he may have been a soldier and may have been abroad or died in the Peninsular War.  To further complicate things Eliza Wotton married a Thomas Nichol after the baptism of James Wotton in 1815.  Could he be James's real father?

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Yorkshire (North Riding) / Harriet Chambers marriage
« on: Tuesday 03 August 21 08:45 BST (UK)  »
I have the marriage certificate for my ancestor Harriet Chambers to Robert Best in the 13 Nov 1882 in Kirkleatham.  Why has she told the vicar that her father is John Harris, when he was her step father?  I have her birth certificate and she was the daughter of Levi Chambers and Harriet Bale's.  Levi died in Upsall mine in 1875 aged 40, and her mother Harriet Bale's married John Harris in 1876.  Shouldn't Harriet Chambers marriage certificate to Robert Best say Levi Chambers deceased?  John Harris was too young to be her father as Harriet was born in 1860 in Hornsea Yorkshire.  John Harris was born around 1849/50 in Cornwall and died aged 65 in 1915.  He was not living in Yorkshire terrier until the 1871 census.

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Canada / Re: Elizabeth McKinnon formerly Clark born 1814
« on: Friday 30 July 21 19:56 BST (UK)  »
Thank you for this as well as the info on Robert Frayne.  I am sorry for not getting back to you sooner. :)

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Canada / Elizabeth McKinnon formerly Clark born 1814
« on: Friday 30 July 21 14:45 BST (UK)  »
From ancestry, many trees show that my 3 x great aunt Elizabeth Clark born 1814, daughter of Robert Clark and Agnes Cousin, died in Ontario Canada in 1895 aged 80/81.  I know that she married Charles McKinnon on the 13th Dec 1835 in Lanarkshire Scotland.  They are on the 1841 census for Glasgow Scotland, then disappear.  I don't know how many children the couple had, or when her husband died.  Some ancestry users say they lived in Lanark County Ontario on the later censuses of Canada.

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I am trying to find my ancestor Robert Frayne born 1821 in North Molton Devon England.  He is on the 1841 census for North Molton and then disappears.  On Ancestry some users having recorded as dying in 1909 in Exeter, Huron, Ontario aged 88.  How far back does the Canadian census go back?  Was there one in Ontario in 1851?  This would be before Canada became a country in 1867.  I know Canada has a census each year when the year ends in 1 just like in England.

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Thanks for all that.  I didn't realize he moved to Rhode Island.  I also like the information on his descendants too.  Are there any living descendants still living in Providence Rhode Island?

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I am trying to find where my ancestor Hugh McMahon Clark born 1872 in Glasgow Scotland to David Clark and iron turner and his wife Isabella Stewart.  Hugh was an engine finisher and an auger finisher, and married Agnes Shield in 1893 in Glasgow aged 20.  She was 17.  According to a distant cousin he emigrated to the USA from Glasgow to Boston on the the ship SS Peruvian in 1895.  His wife followed in 1896.  Did he have any children in the USA?  Did he stay in Massachusetts or go elsewhere?  Any help would be great to see where he went and when he died.

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Devon / Re: Passmore or Pasmore family of North Molton, Devon
« on: Friday 16 July 21 15:26 BST (UK)  »
Back to our Passmores.  My ancestor Richard Passmore 1700-1776 born and died in North Molton, was the first child of our common ancestor Philip Passmore 1672-1743.  On Richard's burial from 1776 he is recorded as being Parish Clerk, so it did run in the family further back.  I am descended from his brother Philip 1702-1759.  The fact that Philip Passmore named his first child Richard, could this be evidence that Philip Passmore 1672-1743 was the son of Richard Passmore 1652-1690?  This is the only one that I could find that could be his father in North Molton, though there could be other Richard's out there in other parishes.  We know Philip married Joan Abbot, but which Joan?  I have a baptism for one baptized in 1675 in North Molton daughter of Robert Abbot and Jane.  There are other candidates too, such as another Joan baptized in 1670 in the parish to Robert and Jane (could be a sister), and variants in the spelling of her name such as Jone or Joane.  This will need to be looked into too.  We know if the Richard Passmore that married Margery Leicherdon in 1672 is the father of Philip and his 3 brothers, is Richard the one born in 1652 in North Molton?  The surname Leicherdon or Leycherdon as it is spelt earlier is quite an unusual surname, from North Molton.  I have gone back to a Philip Leycherdon before 1600 and one that is recorded as in the 1569 muster roll for the North Devon Militia for North Molton.  There are 2 Passmores in it Myghell or Michael and his supposed brother Matthew.  I cannot prove that our line goes back to either of them, if the descent is correct from Henry Passmore that married Jacette or Facette as she is recorded in the baptism register for their children Richard Passmore 1616-1690, Richard Passmores reputed father.  I got this information on the Muster Roll from a book I have called North Molton a North Devon Parish by Norman Annett, from a deceased distant cousin in 2008.  I will have to scan some images from it.

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Devon / Re: Passmore or Pasmore family of North Molton, Devon
« on: Thursday 15 July 21 13:05 BST (UK)  »
I have done a DNA test on Ancestry a few years ago.  I have had very few matches from Devon.  The DNA test Ancestry does is the autosomal test, that does all of your lines, rather than just your Y Chromosome or male line.  Most of my distant cousin matches have been from my maternal lines through my mother, that goes back to Suffolk, Durham County, Northumberland, South West Scotland such as Glasgow, and Northern Ireland.  For some reason Devon doesn't seem to be coming up in my DNA test in the places my ancestors came from.  My lineage back to the Passmores to North Molton is correct, and I did contact someone whom was a 5th cousin descended from an Aaron Bendle, brother of my 4x great grandmother Mary Bendle 1813-1879 of South Molton.  She is the mother of my 3x great grandmother Eliza Wotton 1844-1910, whom married my direct Passmore ancestor John Passmore 1838-1903 from North Molton.  The distant cousin said that Aaron Bendle emigrated to Australia to Victoria in 1854.  If my lineage as not correct, I would not be related to this distant cousin.  The limitations of the Ancestry test, is that you can only go back 200 or more years, and have good matches to 6th or 5th cousins, though most of my matches are 4th cousins, mainly from USA, Canada and Australia.  Because we are 8th cousins once removed, we are too distant for the test to prove our relationship from our common ancestor Philip Passmore 1672-1743.  In the near future I think DNA testing would probably be able to go further back, but for now it doesn't.  It can work for people on 23andme, if you have taken a Y Chromosome test, for your male or paternal line, but you mentioned it is through one of your maternal ancestors that goes back to Philip Passmore 1747-1802, so it wouldn't work.  If there was any male Passmore descendants alive today descended from Philip Passmore 1672-1734, it would prove that the male line is correct.  However, I haven't found any Passmores yet that have done a DNA test on either Ancestry or 23andme. 

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