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The Common Room / Re: Henry C. Hamblin
« on: Thursday 03 August 23 17:12 BST (UK)  »
Ha-ha, slim pickings anyway if he had been supporting her too, post bankruptcy, I think that Will was salted away only months after they were wed,  shows foresight though .
Thanks all for all these pieces of a jigsaw, that gives a pretty complete story now.

I must admit I thought finding Grandad Hamblin a lost cause, thankfully long lost cousin Calpe 1704 would have none of it & jonw65 magical post #69 had already cracked this open in 2020. I had typically ignored this nugget.  ::)
Leaving my family history incomplete with a main actor missin, was akin to having a front tooth blacked out in a portrait on my wall. Thanks all.

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The Common Room / Re: Henry C. Hamblin
« on: Wednesday 02 August 23 20:47 BST (UK)  »
Wills team replied very quickly. Will not that easy to read.

Probate grant.
16 November 1874.  Jacob Henry Hamblen
Formerly of: 16 Albion Villas, Albion Rd, Dalston , Middlesex. Merchant.
But late of: 2, Manchester St, Grays Inn Lane in said county. Merchants Clerk.
Died 16 August 1874, 2 Manchester St. … aforesaid?

Proved Central Registery by Oath of Julia Hamblen,  14, Gloucester Rd, Regents Pk in said county widow of the Relict.  Sole execut.
Effects under £100.

The Will.     
Me Jacob Henry Hamblin, 16 Albion Villas, Albion Rd, Dalston, Middlesex.I give unto my dear wife Julia All my estate and effects, follows barely legible  jargon. … & appoint my dear wife Julia sole executrix of this my will .. legal jargon….this 3rd November 1858  ..signature  -J H Hamblen-
… more jargon.
 Witnessed Charles Saxton, 11, Albert Terrace, St Pauls Rd, Islington - Sarah Hawkins same place.

Thanks for all  guidance, nice to have these printed off. Written 1858 & it seems neglected to update in changed circumstances . He was still pretty young & appoplexy back then as I understand it  was a general term for keeling over & dying  immediatly. Saxtons dabs all over this  ;D

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The Common Room / Re: Henry C. Hamblin
« on: Wednesday 02 August 23 14:37 BST (UK)  »
 Thanks jonw65. I was able to give folio, as image  completely legible.
I have just asked for them to look at this glitch, they make queries easy enough,  the receipt numbers make case pretty open & closed. Hopefully a result sooner rather than later. Drums fingers  :)

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The Common Room / Re: Henry C. Hamblin
« on: Wednesday 02 August 23 13:34 BST (UK)  »
Thanks Jan, my bad,  ::) …….should have gone to Specsavers.

This also makes my Henry half-sister Elizabeth theory too far fetched to pursue. Thanks again.

Looking into this, the wills office sent me two replies for for the 1875 application , one a day apart.

I need to chase the 1874 application today, the reason why I’m missing response now looks obvious & unlikely to turn up otherwise.

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The Common Room / Re: Henry C. Hamblin
« on: Wednesday 02 August 23 09:03 BST (UK)  »
Thanks jonw65, really helpful. I drew an almost immediate  blank  with 1875 Will application .
Big silence re. 1874 application so far. Hopefully get a response  this week as going away.

 If another blank drawn , will request a second look at this 1874 one , via their (microfilm?) typed image clearly stating 1974 & potential culprit towards past error, in that all evidence points to 1875 death.

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The Common Room / Re: Henry C. Hamblin
« on: Thursday 27 July 23 17:38 BST (UK)  »
It probably won't help, though we can hope, but Jacob Henry did leave a will. With wife Julia the executor. We don't know when it was written of course. For £1.50 it wouldn't do any harm to have it?

 I have applied for this will suggested, thank you for nudge.
Applied for both  1874/5 years.
There are conflicting years of death. Within the black image suggested results, all his death/probate details can be seen , but year says 1874 in text.
Though  I safely assume 1875 is correct.
 We'll see..

I find the eldest Collin's daughter Elizabeth birth a bit puzzling, b. about 1875, as jonw65 previously pointed out, messes things up a bit in that nut cracking #69 post. Obvious  assumption is  Samuel Collins fathered child before their 1877 wedding. The end.

(Joseph) Henry Hamblen’s  death year is 1875.
Elizabeth was born about 1875.

Nagging small doubt, Elizabeth Collins could be my Grandfather Henry Hamblen’s (Hamblin)  b.1872  full sister?

I have typically failed  to find her GRO entry when not  simple.
My motive to see this certificate, any GRO pointers greatly  appreciated.

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The Common Room / Re: Henry C. Hamblin
« on: Sunday 16 July 23 16:48 BST (UK)  »
Thanks janan  :), as always very suportive in understanding  my limited experience.

This entry is a bit of a chesnut thats been sighted  by others before, but I  thought worth an airing again with a  known fixed birth date.

In that  none of his given ages, by Henry or others, have never coordinated with the math to date  ???. This would be par for course. From that I assume,  he or informants had no real idea of his age, or not much interest anyway.
 

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The Common Room / Re: Henry C. Hamblin
« on: Sunday 16 July 23 14:35 BST (UK)  »
It occurs to me (best guess) the final Hamblin interpretation, likely  due to my Grandfather living in the Collins household before he entered school. I doubt that his mother or stepfather were that literate.
He had no living Hamblen siblings or father to firmly peg his surname on.

From dictation, entering school life "Hamblen"/"Hamblin" is a 50/50 bet, the latter option taken down & stuck. I doubt if he himself ever became aware.

First 100% sighting of adult Henry Hamblin was 1901 census, already with 4 children, I know to be correct.

However,  in the 1891 census there was a Harry Hamblin boarder 21?  at 7, Carlow St. . Hackney Carriage Driver. fillet attached.
This Henry was born in 1872, he'd only be 19, that's very young to have acquired knowledge, in that this was his father's occupation, it then becomes plausible.  Carlow St NW1 is close enough to St Pancras. Harry/Henry being synonymous.
Any thoughts?

 
Just to flesh this out to date in human terms, from personal knowledge. Henry was most certainly  literate, his only vice's  broadsheet's & dry biographies. Three of his sons went on too be motorised London cabbies, he reluctantly switched too from his beloved horses.

Here is an odd anomaly, of his 11 children, 6 boys only one Hamblin survives today aged 90.
 So mispelling won't rock many boats. :)

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The Common Room / Re: Henry C. Hamblin
« on: Thursday 13 July 23 11:45 BST (UK)  »
Hi again & thank you all for your continued interest. Appologies, very rusty navigating quote.

I will remain  "lurking" with great interst ;D. Really do apriciate all of this.

Replying to jonw65 #151 post. Re. Henry Hamblin Beale younger sister Maria BC may help.

Ordered her death cert too.

Please find “Maria’s Hamblin” birth certificate, “Maria Hamblen Beale” death cert details,  from GRO image.

BIRTH:
Where were born: 10 March 1874, 2 Manchester St.
Name if any:             Maria Hamblen.
Sex:                            Girl.
Name father:            Henry Hamblen.
Name mother:          Maria Beale.
Rank prof father.      Merchant  Clerk.

Signature, Description Res informant:
H. Hamblen, Occupier, 2 Manchester Street, Pancras.

When Reg.   18 April 1874   
- - - - - - - - - - — - - - - -

DEATH:
Where when died:  28 Aug 1875, 13 Gt Ormond yard
Name surname:     Maria Hamblen Beale
Sex:                         Female
Age:                         1 year & 6 months
Rank & prof:            Daughter of Maria Beal a Domestic Servant.
Cause:                     Meningitis
Informant:   Maria Beale, mother present at death, 13, Gt Ormond Yard, Queen Square.

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