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Lincolnshire / Re: Hotchin in Scunthorpe
« on: Monday 04 May 20 19:46 BST (UK) »
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Lincolnshire / Re: Hotchin in Scunthorpe
« on: Thursday 30 April 20 19:27 BST (UK) »
Thanks for this information
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Lincolnshire / Re: Hotchin in Scunthorpe
« on: Thursday 30 April 20 18:26 BST (UK) »
I don't know if you are still interested in the Hotchins of Scunthorpe. I am a descendant of Henry Hotchin (John Thomas Hotchin's father), who was my great great grandfather. I also have a comprehensive family tree made by Arthur Hotchin in the 1940s and letters from your great aunt Florence (Wattam) concerning various members of the extended family, and from Bertha's daughter, Rowena. Please let me know if you are still researching this family.
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Worcestershire Lookup Requests / Re: James Wheeler - Halesowen, Worcs b.1811
« on: Saturday 18 April 20 19:49 BST (UK) »
Sorry - he was christened, not born, on 22 October 1838.
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Worcestershire Lookup Requests / Re: James Wheeler - Halesowen, Worcs b.1811
« on: Saturday 18 April 20 19:48 BST (UK) »
With regard to Thomas, son of James Wheeler (b.1811), I've found his burial on 25 August 1839 at St Martins Birmingham. His mother and father are Jane and James Wheeler and their address Potter Street, as given in the 1841 census. Poor Thomas was born on 22 October, 1838.
But maybe you've already found this?
But maybe you've already found this?
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Worcestershire Lookup Requests / Re: James Wheeler - Halesowen, Worcs b.1811
« on: Saturday 18 April 20 19:38 BST (UK) »
Hi everyone!
I too am descended from James Wheeler (b. 1811 Halesowen) through his son James (b. 1845), and through that James's son, James Frederick, (b.1870). He was my maternal grandfather. I too have been unable to go any further back from the first James. It would be interesting to know how other contributors to this post are descended (through which of his children) and to share any other information we have about these ancestors.
I too am descended from James Wheeler (b. 1811 Halesowen) through his son James (b. 1845), and through that James's son, James Frederick, (b.1870). He was my maternal grandfather. I too have been unable to go any further back from the first James. It would be interesting to know how other contributors to this post are descended (through which of his children) and to share any other information we have about these ancestors.
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England / Re: Gertrude cummings
« on: Tuesday 07 April 20 17:40 BST (UK) »
Hi Vixen999 - I've sent you a long pm re Gertrude Cummings and Emily Brayne. I'm not sure if it was sent. being a newbie on this site. Can you let me know? Thanks
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England / Re: Gertrude cummings
« on: Saturday 04 April 20 19:36 BST (UK) »
Wonderful to have such a prompt reply!
Unfortunately I'm unlikely to be able to tell you anything more substantial (i.e. factual) than you probably know already about Gertrude as I only came across her in 2003 when I was looking at the 1901 census. But we did suspect for many years before that that Emily had a sister as there's a family story involving someone who must have been Gertrude's son. So no, I don't have any photos of Gertrude, but I do have at least one of Emily which I will look out as soon as possible. But I'm not sure where to attach this so that you can see it.
Also I would love to mull over the early lives of the two sisters (Emily's side of which I do know something about. I learnt quite a lot from my mother and I was 17 when Emily died, so I knew her as well). Also in the 1911 census we see John and Amelia Cummings, both younger than Gertrude, living with their father, John Cummings (widower), together with Gertie Cummings (not Brayne as in 1901); were they full/half brother and sister to Gertrude and Emily? I wonder if you have any information regarding them? I've been meaning to get their birth certificates for ages!
Quite a lot to talk about - can you advise me if I should continue to this conversation here, (including any photos/documents) or through a personal message, which to me seems more appropriate.
Very much looking forward to continuing this and delighted to have found you! Rosalind
Unfortunately I'm unlikely to be able to tell you anything more substantial (i.e. factual) than you probably know already about Gertrude as I only came across her in 2003 when I was looking at the 1901 census. But we did suspect for many years before that that Emily had a sister as there's a family story involving someone who must have been Gertrude's son. So no, I don't have any photos of Gertrude, but I do have at least one of Emily which I will look out as soon as possible. But I'm not sure where to attach this so that you can see it.
Also I would love to mull over the early lives of the two sisters (Emily's side of which I do know something about. I learnt quite a lot from my mother and I was 17 when Emily died, so I knew her as well). Also in the 1911 census we see John and Amelia Cummings, both younger than Gertrude, living with their father, John Cummings (widower), together with Gertie Cummings (not Brayne as in 1901); were they full/half brother and sister to Gertrude and Emily? I wonder if you have any information regarding them? I've been meaning to get their birth certificates for ages!
Quite a lot to talk about - can you advise me if I should continue to this conversation here, (including any photos/documents) or through a personal message, which to me seems more appropriate.
Very much looking forward to continuing this and delighted to have found you! Rosalind
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England / Re: Gertrude cummings
« on: Saturday 04 April 20 14:24 BST (UK) »
Just joined Rootschat and not very confident about how it works exactly, so please forgive any mistakes.
Can't tell you how thrilled I was to see your posts re Gertrude Cummings (or, to give her name registered at birth, Gertrude Brayne). My maternal grandmother was Emily Brayne, Gertrude's sister, and my great grandmother was Fanny Brayne so it looks like we're related! From the drift of your posted conversations, I expect by now that you will have gathered the facts which I know - namely that both Emily (b. 1880) and Gertrude (b. 1890) were born in Western Road Workhouse, Dudley Road, Birmingham to Fanny Brayne, domestic servant, with no father's name being given. Sadly, this was something which my grandmother (Emily) tried all her life to keep secret.
I don't know if John Cummings/Cummins and Fanny Brayne actually married (even though she is described as his wife in the 1901 census, as you know) - I've never managed to find any evidence of this. It's surprising to me that Fanny Brayne had two 'fatherless' children ten years apart. If you are still active on this site there are family stories concerning Emily and Gertrude which began to make sense when we discovered the true circumstances of Emily's birth long after her death in 1962. I would be glad to share these with you and to know if you have anything similar to tell. Maybe these should be written in a personal message.
As for the Braynes in Bidford on Avon - and you may already know this - there are many Braynes in Bidford, but the main contenders in 1861, the year after Fanny Brayne was born, are Thomas Brayne and Jane, who had several children, including an Emily. Unfortunately I haven't been able to find a Fanny anywhere! The Braynes were canal people, Thomas having been born in Smethwick, along with other Bidford Braynes, and a large contingent of the family spread out to Eynsham in Oxfordshire. (See also posts re the Hambridge family which I found on this site.)
I've never been able to find a death certificate for Fanny Brayne, even though John Cummings is described as a widower in the 1911 census.
Can't tell you how thrilled I was to see your posts re Gertrude Cummings (or, to give her name registered at birth, Gertrude Brayne). My maternal grandmother was Emily Brayne, Gertrude's sister, and my great grandmother was Fanny Brayne so it looks like we're related! From the drift of your posted conversations, I expect by now that you will have gathered the facts which I know - namely that both Emily (b. 1880) and Gertrude (b. 1890) were born in Western Road Workhouse, Dudley Road, Birmingham to Fanny Brayne, domestic servant, with no father's name being given. Sadly, this was something which my grandmother (Emily) tried all her life to keep secret.
I don't know if John Cummings/Cummins and Fanny Brayne actually married (even though she is described as his wife in the 1901 census, as you know) - I've never managed to find any evidence of this. It's surprising to me that Fanny Brayne had two 'fatherless' children ten years apart. If you are still active on this site there are family stories concerning Emily and Gertrude which began to make sense when we discovered the true circumstances of Emily's birth long after her death in 1962. I would be glad to share these with you and to know if you have anything similar to tell. Maybe these should be written in a personal message.
As for the Braynes in Bidford on Avon - and you may already know this - there are many Braynes in Bidford, but the main contenders in 1861, the year after Fanny Brayne was born, are Thomas Brayne and Jane, who had several children, including an Emily. Unfortunately I haven't been able to find a Fanny anywhere! The Braynes were canal people, Thomas having been born in Smethwick, along with other Bidford Braynes, and a large contingent of the family spread out to Eynsham in Oxfordshire. (See also posts re the Hambridge family which I found on this site.)
I've never been able to find a death certificate for Fanny Brayne, even though John Cummings is described as a widower in the 1911 census.
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