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Donegal / Re: STEWART families in Donegal
« on: Monday 16 March 20 17:14 GMT (UK)  »


You have a Babington Will, naming father, brothers etc. from FS posted.  Wray Will.

It's not 'Who got What' but names/relationships named in them, grandson etc.

I didn't think that the Rev. John Johnston was likely an ancestor, but his Hamilton wife as part of the "Hamilton Clan" using Hamilton as a middle name, but your research on Johnston catches a lot of Babintons in the net.

I was only specualting to accumulate!   ;D

Yes, I may be back to William and Catherine Babington and the Johnstons if Richard/James had no kids who inherited Clonfad/Glenfad.  My thought at this point is that James Babington might have had a daughtr who married a Hamilton and they might have had children who might have been or been the father of "James Babington Hamilton" of whom I have a record.  Just my own speculation.  "James" + "Babington" remained names associated with that Townland for well over a century into the 2nd half of the 19th century.  And one of my Hamilton ancestors married "into" property in Taughboyne Parish that way in the 19th century. 

But, if James Babington son of Thomas had no children, then the property may have gone to his uncle Mathew's family, and if they ran out of heirs (and I haven't delved into that yet), then maybe it went to the descendants of William and Catherine.

It's a history-mystery at this point.  :)

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Donegal / Re: STEWART families in Donegal
« on: Monday 16 March 20 04:28 GMT (UK)  »
Also interesting and germane to the point of this entire thread is that James Babington's brother married into the Stewarts of Horn Head.

Once I figure out as much as I can about the elusive Babingtons I will turn my sights onto the Stewarts.   ;D

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Donegal / Re: STEWART families in Donegal
« on: Monday 16 March 20 04:22 GMT (UK)  »


The nearest I can get is Rev John Johnston of Clondavaddog who married Mildred Hamilton, dau of Rev James Hamilton, Archbishop of Raphoe, and their daughter Catherine married Wm Babingon.

It is possible she wanted to use Hamilton as a middle name...  ??

Rev John Johnston  died 1730

Only speculation!!

Thank you for that!  I don't think that the Rev. John Johnston is likely an ancestor, but when I did a Google search of his name, I came up with a book that includes the following information about his close relatives:

"Matthew Babington, of Urney and Doecastle, co Donegal, living 1663, was attainted in 1689 by the Dublin Parliament; he is supposed to have m. a dau. of Col. James Galbraith, of Dowish and d. soon after 1689, having by her, who d. 1635 had issue:
(1) William ...[It was William's daughter who married John Johnstone & Mildred Hamilton's daughter Katherine]
(2) Richard, of Daisy Hill...and
(3) Thomas m. Isabella, dau. of Capt. James Stronge, of Croaghan, parish of Cloneligh and had issue,
1. Mathew of Clady, parish of Urney, co Tyrone m. Anne Hamilton. [Another Hamilton marriage] His will was proved 8 March 1735.
2. Thomas, of Clonfad, parish of Clonleigh, living 21 May, 1735.  He had issue:
(1) Richard, of Londonderry, m. before 1768, Mary, dau. Of Frederick Stewart of Horn Head and had issue.
(2) James"

  -- so James Babington, of Clonfad Clonleigh, had an aunt named Anne Hamilton. "Clonfad" is used as an alternative spelling for "Glenfad" Clonleigh. My ancestor James Babington Hamilton was living at Clonfad/Glenfad, Clonleigh in 1826 according to the Tithe Applotment records.  Sooo..while it isn't anything solid yet, it is an intriguing coincidence if, in 1735 there is a "James Babington" and 90 years later the same land is home to a "James Babington Hamilton" AND these Babingtons are already well married into Hamiltons.

I am going to do some more sleuthing about who this Thomas Babington and his son James were.

Here is where I found this information:

Family Records by Ashworth Peter Burke, available thru Google Books:
https://books.google.ca/books?id=MZRAAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA19&lpg=PA19&dq=John+Johnston+Clondavaddog&source=bl&ots=22YUQNzqtY&sig=ACfU3U1q79nwKlSP9rVO8Z8HW3lj7xBwEQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwje4Lnkip7oAhWyKn0KHaL_Au8Q6AEwAXoECAwQAQ#v=onepage&q=John Johnston Clondavaddog&f=false

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Donegal / Re: STEWART families in Donegal
« on: Friday 13 March 20 23:28 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks very much for the info.  I don't think these are likely to be my direct ancestors.  So far as I know, the Babington connection would (if it is there) will not be to the Stewart side but to the Hamilton side of my family.  And so far as I know at this point, my Stewarts weren't likely to be in Burke's Peerage in the recent past.

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Donegal / Re: STEWART families in Donegal
« on: Thursday 12 March 20 00:04 GMT (UK)  »


I attached the PDF but it is not showing... renamed it and trying again!!

Thanks, I have seen that marriage on-line and a couple of other references to James Babington Hamilton, and then to someone named "Babington Hamilton" who must be his son, given the chronology of references.  Elizabeth Hamilton would likely have been a sister of my great-great grandfather.

What I cannot locate are earlier records, such as the marriage of James Babington Hamilton's parents which might provide the link to the Babingtons, assuming there is one.

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Donegal / Re: STEWART families in Donegal
« on: Wednesday 11 March 20 04:58 GMT (UK)  »


You probably have this....

Marriage Inver Church, Thursday 1st August 1839 DOCTOR HAMILTON, of Newtownstewart, to PATRICIA, youngest daughter of MURRAY BABINGTON, ESQ., Bonny Glen

Yes, but therein lies the rub, as the date of 1839 for Patricia Babington's marriage to this James Hamilton conflicts with the 1845 date of a marriage record I have for my great-great grandparents who were married at the Taughboyne Parish church (which I believe is St. Lugadius in Lifford, Donegal).   It records the marriage of a "Robert Hamilton" son of "James Babington Hamilton" and I had assumed that James Babington Hamilton would have been the son of Patricia and James Hamilton M.D., but the timelines don't support that, given the conflicting dates of 1839 and 1845.

Thank you for checking though. 

It would be great to find the baptism records for James Babington Hamilton recording his parents, or even his own marriage record, but they are likely lost.




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Donegal / Re: STEWART families in Donegal
« on: Tuesday 10 March 20 21:24 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Alex,

Thank you for your reply.

My Babingtons in Donegal in 1800 would be Murray Babington, youngest son of Humphrey Babington.

regards,

Hello, Thomas.
Thank you for that information. Yes, I know about Murray Babington who lived at Bonnyglen in Donegal. His father Humphrey had a brother Revd. William Babington 1713-1777, and he is an ancestor of mine. Therefore we are connected! I shall now write a private message to you with more detail.
Regards
Alex
I am writing to highlight a correction to one point above which has been made elsewhere. I had accepted Thomas’ statement at first that Murray was the son of Humphrey Babington. He was, in fact, the son of The Revd. William Babington and his wife Dorothea. One of Murray’s children was called Dorothea.  Another link is Dumfries where Murray married Mary in 1788, and where his brother was the Rector in the Church of Scotland.
Alex

Yes, thanks for pointing that out, Alex.  It seems that there is no possibility of Patricia Babington being an ancestor of mine, and as yet I cannot find any other documentary trail that would lead to my Hamilton ancestors from the Babingtons of Bonny Glen or anywhere else at this point.  "James Babington Hamilton" and "Babington Hamilton", who do appear in the records, may be Hamiltons without an identifiable Babington forbear.

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Donegal / Re: STEWART families in Donegal
« on: Friday 06 March 20 00:19 GMT (UK)  »
Sorry Alex, it looks like I missed your other question:

"You wrote that his father was Humphrey. Where did that information come from? I have Murray the son of The Revd. William Babington and Dorothea Campbell. Murray’s first child was named Dorothea."

I was gleaning my information on Murray Babington came from a website called "The Peerage"

http://www.thepeerage.com/p68722.htm#i687211

I honestly don't know how accurate the information on that site is or how it gets posted/reviewed so it is entirely possible that my information is in error.


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Donegal / Re: STEWART families in Donegal
« on: Friday 06 March 20 00:13 GMT (UK)  »
Hallmark, Thank you for the pointers to the wills.  According to the info I have seen, William Wray is very likely one of my ancestors so that will is very likely pertinent to me.   I will have to study them closely to sort out if they are my actual people or come from other branches.

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