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The Common Room / Re: John Harrison clock maker 1693-1776
« on: Sunday 08 March 20 09:51 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Rootschatters


So it appears there are no living direct male descendants of John Harrison. There may be some from William's granddaughter Elizabeth Barton or his son John's daughter Charlotte but no living descendants called Harrison can exist. There maybe descendants from John Harrison's siblings especially his brother James. When John 1761 - 1842 left a specific time-piece to his son John in his Will he mentions that James was involved in the construction of it.


Venelow
Canada

If what you write is true then there may be no direct male descendants, however I have found unverified suggestions of additional male descendants not included in the information you list from wills. However  until proven they are merely interesting rumours ...

Nevertheless THE Johh H with his wife Elizabeth Scott had a son William who in turn gave him granddaughters  Anne and Elizabeth and a grandson John. The speculation is of them having two other bothers: One called William Harrison would be THE John Harrison's grandson and he supposedly produced more generations of Williams and Johns until ending up with another Anne Harrison born in 1807. Then there is the suggestion that William (1728-1815) had more than one son called John Harrison and that this additional John in turn had a son by the name of Charles.

If you spend  long enough on the inter-net you can find people claiming almost anything, however without a clearly laid out trail of evidence you have to question how much faith you place in things that strangers post on the inter-net... However it would appear that William Harrison (1728-1815) may have an extensive list of descendants.

Plus there is also the separate line of enquiry following descendants of THE John Harrisons younger brother James who is known to have worked extensively with John on the early clocks. I've found accounts in a nineteenth century astronomical societies papers questioning if it were James that was actually the more gifted of the two but that John Harrison gets the credit on account of being both the older brother and the more socially forward in terms of promoting their work? James' family seems to progress forward through several generations of bell founders and clock makers in and around Hull.

Pursuing genealogical connections can oh so easily become and addictive pastime!



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The Common Room / Re: John Harrison clock maker 1693-1776
« on: Friday 06 March 20 08:45 GMT (UK)  »
Well as best as is possible given the somewhat confused and corrupted nature of the digital records I have about my own family  I've tried to match any names and dates to those given about THE John Harrison but still with no luck.

The earliest Harrison I can find in my mothers records is a Hill Harrison bpd1787 (presumably baptised?) with the names David and Elizabeth in brackets afterwards (presumably parents?) but with no location

later on there is another note without dates or context linking the names David, Elizabeth, Hill and Mary to the surname Harrison... suggesting the family may have later had a daughter.

Thereafter the bulk of the Harrison refences are from the mid 1800's with a John Dimmock Harrison, two different William Harrisons, an example of the oh-so-common John Harrison and a  Mrs Raithby Harrison.

In terms of trying to tie things back to THE John Harrison then some of the earliest notes I have about our family are of an Elizabeth Scot whose name gets mentioned a few times  around the 1770's in connection with a Benjamin, William and Sussana. Again because of the corrupted nature of my mothers records I cannot place them in any context

THE John Harrison's second wife was an Elizabeth Scott  who would have been alive in the later part of the 1700's but again this is no direct proof of any connection to my own family history.


On an unrelated point altogether trawling through all my mothers records has  just thrown up a connection to an Italian sounding sculptor  (Francisco Degli INNOCENTI) from the early 1800's listed as Living first in Southampton and then  in Liverpool.  As somebody that makes my living as an artist and sculptor and now lives within spitting distance of Liverpool it seemed an interesting discovery.
 

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The Common Room / Re: John Harrison clock maker 1693-1776
« on: Friday 06 March 20 07:51 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Rootschatters

After finding 500+ Trees on Ancestry for John "Longitude" Harrison I decided to research this family for myself.


Venelow
Canada

Thanks very much for all this information. I may have to take a look at ancestry and pay whatever subscription they charge to read though what others have found out.

Cheers

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The Common Room / Re: John Harrison clock maker 1693-1776
« on: Wednesday 04 March 20 10:59 GMT (UK)  »


There is also reference to a James Harrison, Hull 1834-1858 as a Turret clockmaker and quote....Grandson of THE John Harrison.

I think that the dates actually refer to the period of operation rather than birth and death.


The mid 1800's is a period when records tend to be easier to come by so I'll have to see if I can find any mention of a James Harrison in our family. Assuming the dates you quote of 1834-1858 are not his birth and death but simply the period he worked in hull then common names like James and Harrison  without exact dates for birth and death may simple be more circumstantial evidence rather than hard proof, but I'll go looking anyway.

Cheers

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The Common Room / Re: John Harrison clock maker 1693-1776
« on: Wednesday 04 March 20 10:55 GMT (UK)  »
The software issue is to do with the fact my mother recorded all her notes in an old package that is now  obsolete...

Although somewhat of a tangent my mother began programming computers way back when they were still mechanical rather than being based on silicon micro chips, and later, when enough people started thinking of the term "computer" as a piece of technical equipment rather than a job title for a type of mathematician, she went on to become an IT instructor.

When I queried with her why the data was saved as a basic .txt file full she implied it was to do with this software.  So I can open the file in something as simple as MS notepad where it delivers a huge "data-dump" However all the information that sorts the data into any meaningful structure is lost among a mass of additional characters and numbers dotted through this long single file. I can pick out lots of names and dates and locations, but it isn't clear which link to which. This data dump should, however, prove a mine of relevant information should I have to effectively start from scratch researching our family tree, which is unlikely.

So the issue isn't "accessing" the file but reconstructing it. It is comparable to being given a dictionary and told the story is all in there, you just need to sort the words into the right order.

As I say once I've got time to pursue this properly I need to head back to my parents and sit down with my mother to work through all her notes.... She has told me her "holy-grail" that she eventually gave up on trying to track down is a story of an old family bible containing our family tree traced back to 1066 and coming to the UK with William the Conqueror. Sadly that bible is said to have gone the USA in the mid 1800's... Her family name is Watmough (of the Lincolnshire biscuit manufacturers) where we think the connection to the Norman conquest may lie in a branch of the family with connections to Lancashire going by the names of LeScholes, more laterly just Scholes.

Cheers


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The Common Room / Re: John Harrison clock maker 1693-1776
« on: Wednesday 04 March 20 08:40 GMT (UK)  »
I haven't yet started chasing this in any dedicated formal manner, I'm just skimming through copies of all my mother's old digital research notes; Notes which sadly  have been somewhat corrupted as a consequence of the file types not being properly supported by software running on recent versions of Windows... clearly this doesn't help me.

Years back my mother did put a lot of effort into chasing parish records and archives so my first step is to try find time to head back across the country to Lincolnshire to sit down with her to work through all her research to make better sense of what she knows and where she got the information from and look at anything she has on paper.

When I do have time to pursue this in a more thorough manner I'd hope to make some more progress... years back, seemingly in another life now, I used to work as a museum archivist and helped set up a research centre and archive for a national museum so I've some familiarity with how to go about such research.

Cheers


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The Common Room / Re: John Harrison clock maker 1693-1776
« on: Tuesday 03 March 20 15:24 GMT (UK)  »
Rena,

Thanks for the  link as I wasn't aware of this site

It seems, like so much to do with genealogy, that 19th/20th century records are plentiful but as you start pushing back into the 18th and 17th centuries things soon get "sketchy".

It may be the reason I can't find any clear link between THE John Harrison and my family is simply that there isn't one. However for the time being there's lots of superficial similarities and circumstantial  hints pointing towards this and not enough clear information to conclusively show there is no link;- All for the simple reason that we don't know enough about our own family tree in the early-mid 18th century.

Cheers


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Armed Forces / Re: www.rafcommands.com
« on: Tuesday 03 March 20 07:57 GMT (UK)  »
apologies for the delay but its approved now.

PS. I never got the original email

No worries and thanks for sorting this.

Cheers

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Monopoli is a town in southern Italy, near Bari.

Thanks I was aware of this, but my language skills are such that I didn't want to jump to conclusions and assume the name Monopoli must be referring to that town. I didn't know if it might simply be a word that meant something like "library" or "museum" or some other generic civic building.

Cheers

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