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Kent Lookup Requests / Re: Baldwins of Cranbrook
« on: Sunday 23 February 20 20:50 GMT (UK) »
This is outstanding. Does the marriage registration for Thomas and Elizabeth or Thomas and Mary show who Thomas's parents were?
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Kent Lookup Requests / Re: Baldwins of Cranbrook
« on: Sunday 23 February 20 19:37 GMT (UK) »
I am never surprised by the number of children people had anymore... however I am constantly surprised by the level of help and enthusiasm on this site so thank you SO much for this information. I have a couple of follow up enquiries if anyone can help?
> Any detail about Thomas Baldwin (born circa 1800), the father of John Baldwin (b.1823) presumably lived in or near Cranbrook in Kent. Does the marriage certificate for his son John in 1850 give any detail about Thomas Baldwin's profession or where he was born?
We are going back beyond standard records in some instances here I understand.
> My ancestor John Baldwin (b.1858) who was a son of John Baldwin (b.1823) married a lady named Caroline around 1880. He lived his whole life in Cranbrook too. Do you know Caroline's maiden name?
> Any detail about Thomas Baldwin (born circa 1800), the father of John Baldwin (b.1823) presumably lived in or near Cranbrook in Kent. Does the marriage certificate for his son John in 1850 give any detail about Thomas Baldwin's profession or where he was born?
We are going back beyond standard records in some instances here I understand.
> My ancestor John Baldwin (b.1858) who was a son of John Baldwin (b.1823) married a lady named Caroline around 1880. He lived his whole life in Cranbrook too. Do you know Caroline's maiden name?
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Kent Lookup Requests / Baldwins of Cranbrook
« on: Sunday 23 February 20 18:36 GMT (UK) »
I am looking for the parentage of John Baldwin (a corn miller) who was born in or near Cranbrook in Kent 1823 or 1824. He married Harriet who was born in c.1832 and I think they must have been married about 1850. Can anyone help?
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Gloucestershire Lookup Requests / Re: Frankcom family of Bristol Area
« on: Sunday 23 February 20 14:58 GMT (UK) »
Thank you 'capetown' for that information.
Octavius (b.1859) is new to us. Are you able to check the 1871 Census and see if he is on it when he ought to be about 12. I suspect he died as a child. Mary-Ann and her husband William seem to have had a crisis from about 1860 onwards. In 1858 the business of Samuel Frankcom closed, but he was now quite old, aged 66. Perhaps he moved in with his son William and it all got too much because Mary-Ann 'deserted' the home in 1860 and a notice was put in the newspaper. She seems to have come back in time for the 1861 census and had another child in 1862 which they could ill afford. Perhaps this Octavius then died (c.1864?) because the crisis got considerably worse as Mary Ann was tried and then imprisoned in January 1865 for six months hard labour for stealing. When I dug deeper into this I found it was for stealing children's clothes. The poor thing. She was present for her father in law's (Samuel Frankcom) death in 1869 which she recorded and died in 1906 in her mid 70s as the matriarch of the family.
Thanks for the info Viktoria, we have no record of an Eric, he sounds like a nice chap though
Octavius (b.1859) is new to us. Are you able to check the 1871 Census and see if he is on it when he ought to be about 12. I suspect he died as a child. Mary-Ann and her husband William seem to have had a crisis from about 1860 onwards. In 1858 the business of Samuel Frankcom closed, but he was now quite old, aged 66. Perhaps he moved in with his son William and it all got too much because Mary-Ann 'deserted' the home in 1860 and a notice was put in the newspaper. She seems to have come back in time for the 1861 census and had another child in 1862 which they could ill afford. Perhaps this Octavius then died (c.1864?) because the crisis got considerably worse as Mary Ann was tried and then imprisoned in January 1865 for six months hard labour for stealing. When I dug deeper into this I found it was for stealing children's clothes. The poor thing. She was present for her father in law's (Samuel Frankcom) death in 1869 which she recorded and died in 1906 in her mid 70s as the matriarch of the family.
Thanks for the info Viktoria, we have no record of an Eric, he sounds like a nice chap though
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Denbighshire Lookup Requests / Re: Rector of Llangwyfan 1830 - 1857
« on: Sunday 23 February 20 01:50 GMT (UK) »
Wikipedia is full of surprises: I had no idea that article had just been put up about the Anwyls. James Frankcom, the chap who wrote the piece, seems to be a big heraldry enthusiast who has written a fair bit of Wikipedia material about early and medieval Wales. Personally I could do without the stuff there about Mr Evan Anwyl of Ty Mawr, Tywyn, b.1943, "educated at Tywyn Grammar School and University of Wales Aberystwyth (BSc 1967, DipEd 1968)", beingQuotecurrent Head of the House of Aberffraw and de jure Prince of Gwynedd as the senior direct male line descendant of Owain Gwynedd-- which does come over as even more Pooteresque than Ruritanian -- especially as many Welsh princely successions were settled by mutilation and fratricide rather than by the finer points of the Laws of Hywel Dda!
Frankcom appears to have sourced his article chiefly to Lewys Dwnn, Yorke's Royal Tribes and the efforts of Burke. These are all doubtless very worthy authorities; but the best researched work that I have ever come across on the Anwyls is that of Philip H Lawson of Chester, as published and extended by Margery M Anwyl (an Anwyl by marriage) from the USA, in two typescript legal-size volumes under the title "Anwyl Families". (There is a set at the NLW, though despite it having an ISBN the library decided to accession it as if it were a copy of an MS, in the "NLW Ex" series.) A proportion of Lawson's original research papers also came to the NLW. For full info see this link to the catalogue.
The source citations in the footnotes are outstandingly detailed and impressive. I wish I had a copy. It would be a good companion for that visit to Caernarfon RO!
On the Llanhaeadr MIs, Jo, if you can verify them in the way you suggest, that would be very useful.
Rol
I am glad you found it interesting. A small group of us did the research and it was a matter of putting together several sources which by chance I uncovered linked together. It had almost been forgotten, apart from by the family themselves, and once the link between Burkes and the earlier references like Yorke and Dwnn were made it was then the matter of referencing it to the level the Wikipedia admins demanded. You are right that the Welsh families tended not to follow rules like primogeniture but they did strictly adhere to the royal bloodline, in an exclusively male line and insist it was proven ancestry. On the basis of those requirements (key was this bloodline was only in the male line and could be proved so far as is now possible without going into DNA tests) and as far as we know none others can be, we felt confident to say the Anwyl of Tywyn family are the premier claimants to any dormant Gwynedd royal title according to their rules of inheritance.
Something that will need looking up soon is whether there are any exclusively male line descendants living beyond Evan and his only son, Michael. After them we do not know of any male lines extant.
James
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Gloucestershire Lookup Requests / Frankcom family of Bristol Area
« on: Sunday 23 February 20 01:39 GMT (UK) »
I have dozens of relatives from Bristol. The earliest to be born in Bristol is William Henry Frankcom in 1853. He was the son of William Frankcom (b.1823 in Stapleton) who I believe was son of Samuel Frankcom (of Stapleton, b.1791) and Sarah née Milsom (b.1793?). I am really looking for any information on this family.
William Henry Frankcom (b.1853) had siblings Samuel Frankcom (b.1855), Thomas Frankcom (b.1856), Antony Frankcom (b.1859) and Isabella Frankcom (b. 1862).
William Henry Frankcom (b.1853) married Alice Louisa née Gibbs in 1873 and they had seven children who I think included Florence (b. 1875?), George Henry (b.1878) who is my great-grandfather, William (b.1882?), Mabel (b.1884?), James Edwin (b.1885, d. 1929, Cpl. in the Great War and sometimes called himself Edwin), Lillian (b.1889), Emily (b.1892).
Has anyone get any links to these people, or any links to children of George Henry Frankcom (1878-1960) who married Esther née Quail and had five children, including my grandfather James Edwin Frankcom (1907-1991), but also included Lillian May Frankcom (b.1900), George Henry Frankcom (b.1902), Arthur Leonard Frankcom (b. 1904), Florence Evelyn Frankcom (b.1909).
I think Florence E. Frankcom married Henry Phillips and she died in 1989, according to my research. Lillian M. Frankcom married George Hales and I think she died in 1971. My grandsfather never spoke about his family except for a few tiny morsels in his last year of life, which I diligently wrote down aged 15.
If anyone can shed any further light on any of these ancestors of mine I would be hugely grateful.
William Henry Frankcom (b.1853) had siblings Samuel Frankcom (b.1855), Thomas Frankcom (b.1856), Antony Frankcom (b.1859) and Isabella Frankcom (b. 1862).
William Henry Frankcom (b.1853) married Alice Louisa née Gibbs in 1873 and they had seven children who I think included Florence (b. 1875?), George Henry (b.1878) who is my great-grandfather, William (b.1882?), Mabel (b.1884?), James Edwin (b.1885, d. 1929, Cpl. in the Great War and sometimes called himself Edwin), Lillian (b.1889), Emily (b.1892).
Has anyone get any links to these people, or any links to children of George Henry Frankcom (1878-1960) who married Esther née Quail and had five children, including my grandfather James Edwin Frankcom (1907-1991), but also included Lillian May Frankcom (b.1900), George Henry Frankcom (b.1902), Arthur Leonard Frankcom (b. 1904), Florence Evelyn Frankcom (b.1909).
I think Florence E. Frankcom married Henry Phillips and she died in 1989, according to my research. Lillian M. Frankcom married George Hales and I think she died in 1971. My grandsfather never spoke about his family except for a few tiny morsels in his last year of life, which I diligently wrote down aged 15.
If anyone can shed any further light on any of these ancestors of mine I would be hugely grateful.
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Hertfordshire / Re: CHAPMAN Family - Offley
« on: Sunday 23 February 20 01:00 GMT (UK) »
My ancestor, Alice Chapman, was born in Offley in 1857. I know she married a Joseph Biggs who was also from Offley, born in 1853. It is possible, perhaps likely, that she was the younger sister of George Chapman (b.1856) posted by user 'mareva'. They could be two of the nine children of William Chapman (b.1833) and Jane? Does anyone have any firm details or family trees?
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