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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Penketh Township Censuses 1821 and 1831
« on: Tuesday 30 July 24 15:05 BST (UK)  »
Thanks SO MUCH!!! This is a goldmine and provides the confirmation I needed about a mysterious ancestor! Amazing - thank you again!

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Family History Beginners Board / Penketh Township Censuses 1821 and 1831
« on: Tuesday 30 July 24 12:00 BST (UK)  »
Hello Everyone,

New on here and hoping someone out there can direct me to copies of the two surviving census records for Penketh in 1821 and 1831. I saw a very old thread about this subject with an offer of lookup, which is very kind and I have written directly to that author in the hope they may still be able to help. However I am interested in the whole census and everyone who lived in Penketh in 1821 and 1831 so ideally want to review the whole document if possible. I am visiting Warrington/Penketh in a few weeks for my annual family history trip and would like to make the most of it!

Thanks to anyone who can point me in the right direction either online or in person.

 

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Daresbury it is!!

Thanks very much to both of you. I will proceed with confidence  :)

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Thanks for replying Ciderdrinker.

I recognised your suggestions and checked my notebook. I have found both of these William Jones previously and wasn't sure about either...

Daresbury William - the birth date bothers me and the names Betty, Nancy and Peter don't feature in this branch of the tree - and that bothers me too because of naming conventions

Grappenhall William - again the birth date bothers me (although I know they didn't always know their date of birth or changed it for various reasons) and names like Betty and Sarah are not repeated generationally.

I found a William Jones b. 1799 in Wigan - with father John Jones and mother Sarah Leather - but maybe Wigan is the wrong area?

And I found a William Jones b 26 September 1798 in Liverpool, baptised 10 April 1799 whose father was a mariner (parents John Jones and Margaret Williams)

Do you think it more likely to be the Daresbury William? Is there any way I can find more proof? Maybe by researching this Daresbury William's siblings and their marriages?   

Thanks so much for your interest and help. You've given me food for thought!

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Hello Garstonite - thanks for replying to my message.

I've assumed William died in 1836 because of his burial date of 18 September 1836. Probably died a couple of days earlier? I can't find out what he died from but others at the time had typhus or maybe he drowned?

I haven't found William and Ellen on any census returns. 

I know/assume he lived in Sankey/Penketh from 1822 when his first son William was born, through to his third son John in 1826.

Ellen was from Sankey: Baptised 22 September 1799 (OPC Lancs) her parents are Peter Plumpton (Plumton) and Rachel Hill.  I found that Peter and Rachel had a daughter Alice Hill when Peter was just 13!

Ellen and William may have married in Daresbury because Sankey Chapel was not doing marriages at the time? Or maybe trying to keep her family history quiet?

I've looked at places like Walton, Grappenhall, Liverpool but can't be sure of anyone. Presumably before he became a flatman he was in agriculture??

I'm also puzzled because he only had 3 boys (that I've found) which is odd for those times - and he had 10 years after John and before he died so why no more children? His wife Ellen subsequently married a Joseph Ashton from Warrington.

Sorry for all the information! This bit of the family is complex and I haven't unravelled them yet. Some illegitimacy in the Plumpton family....Thanks for any help Garstonite :)

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I have hit a brick wall with William Jones who is my 3rd great grandfather. I found his burial in OPC Lancashire. The family are linked to Sankey Chapel, now called St Mary's in Great Sankey, Lancashire. I believe he had three sons, William born 1822, Henry born 1823 and John (my 2nd great grandfather) born 1826. I also think he married Ellen Plumpton on 14 August 1820 in Daresbury. However, what I really want to know is where he came from, where and when he was born, who his parents are and if he has any brothers and sisters. Can anyone help me please? Thanks so much in advance :)


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