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Armed Forces / Sergeant William Jacobs 1855 to 1876
« on: Sunday 07 November 21 16:30 GMT (UK)  »
Hi
Can anyone help me with the attached document please.

I am researching a person who was buried at Llandyfeisant Church, Llandilo, Carmarthenshire, Wales.

I found his Army Service records (4 pages) on Find My Past for 1855 to 1876, signed in Bermuda and according to an article in a newspaper article about death that his record was very good, but I don't understand the number of trials he had.

Were these trials for getting promoted or was he naughty on those occassions, it just appears that after the trial has been remitted he gets promoted.

Also, he was in Woolwich in 1871 (01/04/1871-30/06/1871) but can't find him in the Census, maybe he arrived back after the census or if he was stationed on an army barracks was the census not carried out...

In or about 1878, he joined up again and was promoted to Battery Sergeant Major in Carmarthen, Carmarthenshire, Wales. He was discharged in 1891. He is mentioned in 1881 and 1891 Censuses living in Carmarthen.

He got married in 1888, Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales to Fanny Cole and they had only one child called Lillie Myra Jacob/s who was born in 1889 in Carmarthen.

Thanks

Colin

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The Common Room / Re: Captain William Warren Rice
« on: Wednesday 03 November 21 00:50 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Willsy

Thanks a lot for finding that, I should now be able to take that as proof that he was from Bristol.

So it looks like Louisa was from St. Helena, but was that as in Island or bay?

Colin

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The Common Room / Re: Captain William Warren Rice
« on: Monday 01 November 21 22:05 GMT (UK)  »
Hi
I've seen the marriage info but need more evidence to say he was born in Bristol.

Trying to stay away from the public family trees on Ancestry as everyone have copied hints and it only takes one person to get it wrong and they all follow suit.

They've put that William Warren Rice died in South Africa in 1879 and that he was a Police constable, in the army etc...

Thanks for looking and I'll see if I can find him in Bristol.

Need to know if employment records exist for working for Lord Dynevor as that might say.

Colin

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The Common Room / Re: Captain William Warren Rice
« on: Monday 01 November 21 13:08 GMT (UK)  »
Hi
I have got 2 newspaper articles from the Bombay Gazette dated 19th and 21st of January 1863 and titled 'Marine Court of Enquiry' but no others.

My trial has just ran out with Find My Past so I can't look there again until I get another trial.

Any chance of knowing how you found the other articles in 1862?

Thanks

Colin

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The Common Room / Re: Captain William Warren Rice
« on: Monday 01 November 21 02:55 GMT (UK)  »
Hi
Thanks for replying.

I have got the 2 newspaper articles about the Sultana is that what you mean?

We've got the death notice as well, so it looks like people knew him as the captain or was a captain in the navy, not sure if he was in the Royal Navy though...

Colin

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The Common Room / Captain William Warren Rice
« on: Sunday 31 October 21 22:15 GMT (UK)  »
Hi
We have a burial at Llandyfeisant Church, Llandeilo, Carmarthenshire, Wales of a William Warren Rice (19 Apr 1875) and we have discovered that he was a captain of various ships (Lord Western, Sultana) and sailed between Calcutta-Bombay in India and South Africa.

Don't know when or where he was born but the burial register says he was born in 1811.

He married Louisa Mary Graves in 1835 in South Africa and as far as I know they had 3 children (Jane Stewart Talbot Rice b1837, Margaret Sophia Rice b1839 and William Evans Rice b1845). 2 of the children were said to be born at sea between India and South Africa.

His wife Louisa died in Bombay, India in June 1845 and is buried at St. Thomas's Cathedral, Bombay, India. His son William Evans Rice was also baptised there in June 1845, just after his mother died. On the burial and baptism records, it says that William was commander of 'Lord Western'.

At the age of 26 and only married for 1 month in 1871, William Evans Rice, Chief Officer was going to join his ship via a rowing boat and he ended up falling overboard and died. The document mentions his father, William Warren Rice as being in England or was on his way there.

We can't find any documents when he left India and which port in England he arrived at. I have looked for him in the 1871 Census and can't find him so he could have arrived of this Census.

When he died in 1875, he lived at Bridge Street, Llandeilo (old spelling Llandilo), Carmarthenshire, which were normally houses for employees and the retired of Lord Dynevor.

What we can't understand is why he ended up in Llandeilo, when his life was centred around India and South Africa. His daughter Jane was still living in South Africa and William left his money to her. Jane's name is unusual as well, Talbot Rice is also a name of some of the Dynevor family. Could they be related or did William know them?

Most of the documents can be found on familysearch.org and I think we have all of them but not sure.

Anyone got any ideas or where we can look for further information?

Thanks

Colin

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Graveyards and Gravestones / Re: Welsh Translation of Inscription on a headstone
« on: Thursday 14 October 21 00:57 BST (UK)  »
Thank you

Someone else said 12 years making her birth 1826 but it doesn't matter as one other child Anne was born in 1826. She was a missing child ie. between the census years.

I didn't know if she was a duaghter or maybe the mother.

Thanks again.

Colin

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Graveyards and Gravestones / Welsh Translation of Inscription on a headstone
« on: Wednesday 13 October 21 17:23 BST (UK)  »
Hi
Looks like 4 people buried here, William (d1883). Mary (Wife d1869), Mary (Daughter d1879) and some one else called Mary in 1838.

I can't read Welsh so could someone translate the 1838 entry please.

Not sure what the quality will look like as I have resized the image so here is the link to the headstone: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/182664944/william-davies.

Thanks

Colin

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The Common Room / Re: Does anyone know what this word is in the Will (Welsh)
« on: Saturday 09 October 21 18:38 BST (UK)  »
Hi
I tried to find the 1861 Cenus on Find My Past and I couldn't find it. Just tried Ancestry and it found it straightaway. Tried again and no luck, although you said use his age from 1851 Census which was 1809.

The one I found on Ancestry I think maybe the right one, as it has Mary's dad Thomas Coset as the Head and living in Llandeybie. Thomas Coset was mentioned in 1851 Census.

Yes he must have married another Mary so need to look into that.

Maybe the 1851 Census we have is or isn't the right census then. Ages don't fit in...

Your 1861 census is better as their daughter Mary is more or less the same age and they are in the same area.


Colin

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