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Armagh / Re: Holland Family Armagh
« on: Thursday 09 January 20 00:30 GMT (UK)  »
I've always understood that Henry Holland (married to Isabella Hall) lived in Armagh. It is possible that the tithe holder H Holland in Tyrone in 1832 was that Henry Holland ... but clearly  more information is required to confirm that. 

I am aware of a record of three Holland brothers from Tandragee (Henry, William and Thomas)who were in Victoria in the mid 19th century. The brothers were mentioned in a newspaper missing persons column at the time of John Holland's death (1874). There is a possibility that they were John Holland's brothers (ie, John married to Eliza Morton). The brother Henry Holland may be the Henry Holland born in 1819 and married to Sophia Potleary and who lived in Carisbrook, Victoria in the 1850/60's etc. That Henry Holland died in Melbourne in July 1891. (His father’s name was Henry Holland but I am unable to confirm his mothers name).

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Armagh / Re: Holland Family Armagh
« on: Tuesday 31 December 19 00:40 GMT (UK)  »

In reply to Bally..G post of 21.12.19:

JH = Margaret Macklin. Margaret Macklin was a daughter of Andrew Macklin, blacksmith of Newtownstewart, County Tyrone and his wife Anne (Love). Margaret was not from County Armagh. John and Margaret married in 1850 in Philadelphia USA. They travelled to Victoria in 1852. Margaret died in Melbourne in 1857 after a 'protracted illness'(TB). 

JH = Eliza Morton. Eliza Morton was the third daughter of Charles Morton and his wife Sarah Rice (Gibson). The Mortons were from Cormeen Rd, Killylea, Armagh. The Mortons emigrated to Victoria in 1853. John and Eliza were married at Flemington in 1862. The family lived in Victoria 1862-74. John died in Brunswick, Melbourne in 1874. John and Eliza did not live together in Armagh.

John's younger sister Margaret (born 1826) emigrated to the Port Phillip District (Melbourne) in 1841. So, I think that it is more than likely that John left Armagh before 1845 when presumably he travelled to North America.

I would be very surprised if John had some connection to the land in Armagh ie, if he was one of the John Hollands you have identified in the TAB records. John was a victualler in Philidelphia and he continued that occupation (as victualler/licensed victualler/hotel keeper) in Victoria. John gave his place of birth/where from as Armagh, and in one instance, Tandragee. Sister Margaret gave her place of birth as Tavana. So I assume that John's parents (Henry Holland = Isabella Hall) lived in or near Tandragee/Tavana in the mid-1820's. I understand that Henry was a soldier. One record (given by John's brother-in-law J J Garland at the time of John's death in 1874) gave father Henry's occupation as farmer. So it is possible that Henry Holland may be on the TAB records.     
           

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Armagh / Re: Holland Family Armagh
« on: Tuesday 10 December 19 00:39 GMT (UK)  »
Hi BettyD
Yes I am aware of John's first marriage ... and much more. The evidence for parents Henry and Isabella Hall is on the 1862 marriage certificate JH=EM.
The only other information I have on Henry H is as follows:
1.  On John's death certificate (Mar 1874) father Henry's rank or profession is given as farmer. So I assume that Henry was a soldier in his earlier years later becoming a farmer.
2. There were other children (John's siblings) including sister Margaret (born c 1826 in Tavana, Armagh). Margaret emigrated to Victoria in 1841 aged 15 and married a Robert Bennett from Tandragee etc, etc.
3. There may have been other siblings in Victoria in the 19th C. 
Regards pah102       

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Armagh / Re: Holland Family Armagh
« on: Saturday 07 December 19 00:25 GMT (UK)  »
I'm also interested in the Holland family you refer to. The John Holland who married Eliza Morton in 1862 is my great-grandfather. I know little of John's parents. I assume they were protestant as was John.     

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