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Renfrewshire / Re: Shovelboard Farm, Corsliehill Rd, Houston
« on: Monday 22 September 08 22:49 BST (UK)  »
That's really interesting.

It might not be your primary focus, but I see that on the National Library of Scotland digital maps site, the Ainslie map of 1796 (which seems to be the first mention) calls it "Shoolbread" and then a map of 1826 calls it "Schoolbread". However, in the 1850s, Ordnance Survey called it "Shovelbread". In my experience they were pretty thorough, to the extent that they would overule a powerful landowner's view in favour of local tradition so there's every chance that's the authentic "original". 

I see there was also a a "Shovelbread Dam" at that time from the 6" map so it strikes me as pretty likely that if you were interested in following it up, there might be an explanation for the name in the Ordnance Survey Name Book for the parish of Houston, assuming that can be had in the West Regiuster House in Edinburgh (Sorry it's been a while, but that's where they used to be...).

[Edit] Forgot to say, the very point that caught my eye - What's really interesting though is that "Shovelboard" or "Shuffleboard" is a game played by pushing pieces along a long table. I wonder if it might once have been an inn...  };-)

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Renfrewshire / Re: Anyone have Scottish Monumental Inscriptions Pre-1855 Renfrewshire Vol. 2?
« on: Wednesday 26 September 07 01:39 BST (UK)  »
Ah. I see what you mean, having quickly looked that lot up on IGI and the Ancestry censuses.  Assuming the Tarbert in question is the one in South Knapdale, that just seems to lead to blanks too. 3 McNab Families, one with a Mary but not the right age.

I'm afraid the (hierarchical) indexes just direct you to relevant cemeteries, then to particular entries in each cemetery. So you need to look up the book to see whether its a relevant entry. I do own a copy of Volume 1, but it seems to have accidentally gone into storage while I move house. I'm hoping to get it back at the end of the year but I'm sure you won't want to wait...

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Renfrewshire / Re: Anyone have Scottish Monumental Inscriptions Pre-1855 Renfrewshire Vol. 2?
« on: Monday 24 September 07 21:06 BST (UK)  »
No worries ;D  But, it would be a shame if that signalled an end to it, even just for now.  Have you not managed to get anything in Renfrewshire that's earlier than that?

Alistair

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Renfrewshire / Re: Anyone have Scottish Monumental Inscriptions Pre-1855 Renfrewshire Vol. 2?
« on: Saturday 22 September 07 14:25 BST (UK)  »
Hi

It's Paisley Woodside cemetery - the stone for a William McGhee who died at Howwood on 1 August 1890 aged 86. It includes his daughter Margaret (wife of Augustus Yates) who died on 1 February 1873 aged 37. There is more info on the McGhees - but not on Margaret or Augustus Yates.

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Renfrewshire / Re: Anyone have Scottish Monumental Inscriptions Pre-1855 Renfrewshire Vol. 2?
« on: Saturday 22 September 07 14:00 BST (UK)  »
Yes - but I'm afraid it looks like bad news.   There are McNabs in Paisley, Port Glasgow and Kilmacolm - but none that match. The only Yates is in Paisley - but again it doesn't appear to match.

I haven't checked volume 1 (and don't currently have access to it) but the index shows at least one McNab in Greenock, and in Arthurlie. Also Yates in Erskine and Greenock.

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Scotland Resources / Link: East Renfrewhire Photographs, Database Index
« on: Sunday 09 September 07 16:00 BST (UK)  »
For some, this link might be old hat: http://www.eastrenfrewshire.gov.uk/heritage.htm?textsize=undefined

However, the addition of hundreds of old postcards, and the ability to search the index to the main Heritage Centre database, make this a winner for me.  When I click on this link, the first things that catch my eye are (1) the Images icon and then (2) after pressing that and playing with the Photographs and Postcards item in the left hand navigation menu, the Database Records items in that menu.

The main thing, I have found, is to look around and try everything.  You need to try every link in my experience. For example - photographs are not indexed in detail in the main database, but under the Postcards and Photographs link they are fully indexed and in most cases can be shown on screen - a thumbnail appears and if you click it, a bigger image can be brought up.

Alistair

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Renfrewshire / Re: Eaglesham
« on: Sunday 13 May 07 12:16 BST (UK)  »
Raven-Anne - that must be it!

I'm in danger of getting off topic (moderator please note it's geographically near to Eaglesham and I can't see a way to cross-post into Ayrshire!) but out of interest how would you pronounce Moscow (Ayrshire)?

I was always brought up to say Moss-cow, but recently read somewher that it actually was named after the Russian city after Napolean's 1812 defeat...

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Renfrewshire / Re: tartans
« on: Sunday 13 May 07 12:06 BST (UK)  »
Bev - I've always taken the line that wearing the tartan is at most an indication of affiliation anyway. Otherwise, I'd be stuffed myself! 

It shouldn't be at all a problem to wear an "Adams" tartan if he has Adams ancestors or connections. On those rare occasions when I have been asked what my connection is to the tartan that I wear (Ramsay) I have found even at the poshest events that people are just interested to find out, when I explain the ancestry thing.

The only caveat I'd offer is that it can become more of a talking point than he might want if (as once happened to me) the hotel's waiting staff, carpets, curtains, menus and little ribbon things all happen to match his trews or kilt ;D - but this seems less likely in your case.

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Renfrewshire / Re: Eaglesham
« on: Sunday 13 May 07 11:44 BST (UK)  »
Definitely never a "shhh" in the middle. On those rare occasions when I go home to see my mum and then go out, that's one way in which (after 15 years absence) I can still pick out the incomers and strangers in the pub ;D .

After being spelt Egglesham when it first appears on record in 1161 (not 1157 as often wrongly quoted) it was more or less consistently spelt Eglisham and Eglishame until the mid 1700s when most writers switched to Eaglesham or Eagleshame.  However in the 1680s an "ignorant" soldier in despatches neatly summed up even the modern pronunciation by writing "Eglesum". 

Except in my mum's "telephone voice" (when it ends in "ham" not "um") Arranroots has it down to a "t" (so to speak)...

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