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Australia / Re: STUART Andrew Thomas
« on: Friday 13 October 23 09:30 BST (UK)  »
OBITUARY. An old and much respected Imperial Servant, Mr. Andrew Thos. Stuart, breathed his last on Monday morning, after a few days illness. Mr. Stuart, with his wife, came out to the colonies in June, 1840, in the merchant ship London, commanded by Captain Gibson, and landing at Williamstown commenced, in conjunction with the Messrs. Ogleby, who were fellow passengers, sheep farming at Mount Macedon, there meeting with reverses owing to bad water, he came to Tasmania and received an appointment in connection with the penal settlement at Jerusalem, under Sir John Franklin. During the course of his service he held the position of superintendent of the Buckland, Rocky Hills, Cascades, Oyster Cove, Impression Bay, and Port Arthur settlements. When these stations were done away with, he retired on a pension from the Home Government, which he enjoyed up to the time of his decease. The old gentleman in his genial and happy way could relate many interesting experiences during his career in the colonies. His eldest son residing in New Zealand was the second white man born at Williamstown. Dr. McCreedy’s son being the first, and both were born in the house of Mr. Stuart’s cousin, Mr. Stafford, Custom House officer at that time. The deceased was born in 1814, and educated at Trinity College, Dublin, where he took his B.A. Degree. He was the eldest son of the late Hon. Andrew Godfrey Stuart, and cousin to the present Earl of Castle Stuart. His father being the second son of the first Earl. Out of five brothers only one survives him, namely, Burleigh, formerly major of Tyrone militia, now secretary for Grand Jury in Omagh. His late brothers were George William Conyngham, late captain in 75th Regiment, John James Ochiltree, Lieutenant and adjutant 5th Regiment of Madras, Native Infantry, Robert Arthur, lieutenant colonel in the 17th Regiment, Madras NativeI nfantry. He leaves a wife and 14 children to mourn their loss.<ref>”The Clipper” (Hobart, Tas. : 1893 - 1909) Sat 11 Aug 1894 Page 2 Family Notices</ref>

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Orkney / Re: Where are these baptisms? Help please.
« on: Saturday 24 October 20 15:45 BST (UK)  »
Many Orkney families around that time belonged to the Free Church or Baptist congregations - and few of those records have survived, only the Established church ones are almost complete. I have two families in Eday, with the one of the parents in each family who are siblings - all one family's baptisms are there - but none of the other family!
All I can see in the Orkney Family History Society indexes for your family are:

Death of John McKinlay, 1911, South Leith aged 69
John McKinlay died on 04/11/1911 at South Leith aged 69. Spouse of Barbara Simison.
Father: Hugh McKinlay. Mother: Janet Cockburn.
Informant: George McKinlay (Son)
[Death Cert: 1911-692-02-0728]

Death of Annie McKinlay, 1922 in Thurso, Caithness aged 85
Annie McKinlay died on 23/10/1922 aged 85 in Thurso.
Father: Hugh McInlay. Mother: Janet Cockburn
Informant: Alice Latimer, Grand Daughter
[Death Cert: 1922-041-00-0066]

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Orkney / Re: Sanday Island Lighthouse Keepers
« on: Saturday 24 October 20 15:35 BST (UK)  »
Hello Sam's Mum, Do you know anything about the parents or siblings of David LYALL the lightkeeper? My 4-greats grandmother was Margaret LYALL (bef 1770 - bef 1841) who married Peter MILLER and they were having children in Sanday from 1789 - 1803.
I have often wondered if there was a relationship between David and Margaret - perhaps siblings? LYALL was not a common name in the Sanday parish records. Cheers, Pip

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Orkney / Re: (James Work & Mary Reid) – Kirkwall, Orkney
« on: Saturday 24 October 20 15:28 BST (UK)  »
1901, , District: 10, Property No: 23 - Wideford Cottage
1. James Work, (M), 32, Head, Mar, Farm Servant (W), St Ola
2. Mary Work, (F), 30, Wife, Mar, , Eday
3. James W Work, (M), 10, Son, , Scholar, Kirkwall
4. Robert Work, (M), 9, Son, , Scholar, St Ola
5. George Work, (M), 7, Son, , Scholar, Kirkwall
6. Mary Ann Work, (F), 3, Dau, , , St Ola
7. Elizabeth C Work, (F), 2, Dau, , , St Ola
8. Catherine Work, (F), 0, Dau, , (3 months), St Ola

1891, Kirkwall, District: 12, Property No: 23 - Blackhill
1. James Work, (M), 22, Head, Mar, Farm Servant, St Ola
2. Mary Work, (F), 20, Wife, Mar, , Eday
3. James William Work, (M), 0, Son, , 6 months, Kirkwall

Birth of James Work, 1869 in Kirkwall
James Work born on 05/01/1869 at Blackhall, Kirkwall.
Father: Thomas Work. Mother: Jessie Thomson

Marriage of James Work & Mary Reid, 1889 in Kirkwall
James Work (age 20) & Mary Reid (age 19) married on 12/12/1889 in Kirkwall.
Grooms Father: Thomas Work. Mother: Jessie Thomson
Brides Father: Robert Reid. Mother: Catherine Drever

Mary Read has a record at https://raymillar.co.uk/getperson.php?personID=I30803&tree=Eday1
Ray has done extensive work on the people who have lived in Eday - and his research now extends around the world. He would be interested in any updates you can send him.



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Orkney / Re: (James Work & Mary Reid) – Kirkwall, Orkney
« on: Saturday 24 October 20 15:18 BST (UK)  »
I think this is your Orkney family in 1911:
1911, Kirkwall & St Ola, District: 7, Property No: 107 - Garden St (3 rooms with window/s)
1. James Work, (M), 42, Head, Mar, Motor Driver Commercial, Wholesale Merchant, Worker, born St Ola
2. Mary Work, (F), 40, Wife, Mar, (Married: 21y, births 11, living 8), born Eday
3. Robert Work, (M), 19, Son, S, Baker, Worker, St Ola
4. George Work, (M), 17, Son, S, Cabinet Maker, Worker, Kirkwall
5. Mary Ann Work, (F), 13, Dau, , School, St Ola
6. Elizabeth Work, (F), 12, Dau, , School, St Ola
7. Catherine Work, (F), 10, Dau, , School, St Ola
8. Alfred Work, (M), 5, Son, , School, Kirkwall
9. Jessie Work, (F), 3, Dau, , , Kirkwall

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Orkney / Re: Family of William Oman
« on: Tuesday 20 October 20 16:10 BST (UK)  »
Try different spellings in your search too - OMAND and OMOND are both common in Orkney.

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Orkney / Re: Lyall / Thomson on Sanday
« on: Tuesday 20 October 20 15:55 BST (UK)  »
Simon LYALL is mentioned in his father's Will: 1850 - five children still at home to have equal shares of £100 cash after paying for his funeral “to be don in the planes way” and proceeds of “wat may arise from displenish of the Croft”, in equal shares to all the children “so long as they are unmarried”. Plus the will contained the sentence: “i think David’s part should be put in a Bank untill he comes home I do not know what you are to do with Simon a fulish boy he might have been better then any of you”.

Simon born 3 June 1839, Sanday.

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Orkney / Re: Lyall & Start Lighthouse history
« on: Tuesday 20 October 20 15:48 BST (UK)  »
The first beacon to mark the Start Point on the Orkney island of Sanday was an unlit masonry tower, but this beacon proved inadequate as ships continued to be wrecked on the island. At the time Robert Stevenson was engineer to the Northern Lighthouse Board and he decided to transfer the light from the neighbouring island of North Ronaldsay to Start Point. Building work began and the new lighthouse, which is still in existence, was established and first exhibited on 2 October 1806. The original great ball from the top of the first beacon was removed and placed on the old beacon at North Ronaldsay - this can still be seen today.

Start Point was the first Scottish lighthouse to have a revolving light which gave it a unique character making it easily distinguished from other lights. Start Point lighthouse was painted with its black and white vertical stripes around 1915, which makes it a recognisable day mark; it is the only Scottish lighthouse painted in this way.

Disaster struck during the building of Start Point lighthouse when the vessel “Stromness” set off to return the workmen back to Leith. A tremendous storm blew up forcing the “Stromness” back northwards to shelter off Flotta island. During the night the cables broke and she was smashed to pieces on the rocks with the loss of all on board except the cabin boy, who was found clinging to the top of the mast.

Prior to the automation of Start Point in 1962 a Principal Lightkeeper and an Assistant, with their families, lived at the light. The families were almost self sufficient and would have kept cows and sheep at the station. Lightkeeping was a remote, lonely and hard existence. At night each keeper was required to keep a watch in the lightroom to ensure that the light flashed correctly to character. During daytime keepers were engaged in cleaning, painting if necessary and generally keeping the premises clean and tidy. [https://www.nlb.org.uk/lighthouselibrary/lighthouse/start-point/]

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Orkney / Re: Lyall / Thomson on Sanday
« on: Tuesday 20 October 20 15:48 BST (UK)  »
?? Baptism [Scotlands People, Old parish Registers]: LYOL, DAVID; parents JOHN LYOL/JEAN SETON; M; born 22/05/1777; 421/ 10 150; Dairsie [Fife] - a possibility if they named first son for paternal Grandfather & second daughter for maternal grandmother...

However, https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/family-tree/person/tree/74840227/person/44307147278/facts says: David LYALL;
¶born 7 March 1794 in Logie Pert, Angus, Scotland;
¶father Robert LYALL, born 1761, Stow, Midlothian
¶mother not known
¶Half brother Robert LYALL born 8 Aug 1797, Angus, Scotland
¶also a brother William, no dates

Amanda Wem on ancestry.commessage boards: [in 2010] […] I can also send you our family tree! I do know that David`s parents were Robert Lyall and Hellen Straiton - they had 5 children including David but am kind of stuck there!!

Therefore: Baptism [Scotlands People, Old Parish Registers] thus gives: LYALL, DAVID; parents ROBERT LYALL/HELLEN STRATON; M; 10/03/1794; 304/ 10 176; Logie Pert [Angus]

MARRIAGE: Lady Kirk, Sanday Register of Baptisms 1745-1819 [OPR 16/2 - on microfiche at Kirkwall Archives]: Marriage of David LYELL of Start Lighthouse and Barbara THOMSON, Resident of this parish, contracted 11 January and married 29 January. Witnesses Andrew THOMSON and Andrew STRANG. [have download of original]

David LYALL Principal Lightkeeper at Start Point ? - 15 Jan 1825; next principal keeper Charles KING, there from 15 Feb 1845-10 May 1854. Assistants in the interum were ? - 10 Apr 1844 - James JACK; and 10 Apr 1844 - 16 Oct 1860 - Alexander Robert WALLACE

3 Nov 1934: David LYALL, Lady inhabitant: one of many parishoners and inhabitants of Lady to sign a petition complaining about minister Rev Walter TRAILL.

Of Start Point when wife buried 1837

1 Apr 1839: David LYALL, Start-point - male head of family [source: Lady Kirk Session Minutes, Orkney Archives ORC/15/3; per transcription <LKS_Ms misc.xls> on computer at Sanday Heritage Centre]

12 Dec 1839: Mr LYALL, proposed by Session to take square seat at pulpit (between 4th and 5th seat from west door) [<LKS_PH pew holders.xls> Sanday Heritage Centre computer]

Wills & Testaments index: Lyall, David; 20/11/1850; lighthouse keeper, Island of Sanday, thereafter at Millbank Cottage near Peterhead; Extract Testamentary Writing; Aberdeen Sheriff Court Wills, SC1/37/27.

AND: Lyall, David; 20/11/1850; Lighthouse keeper at Start Point of Island of Sanday, thereafter at Millbank Cottage near Peterhead; T. 20/11/1850 SC1/37/27/p1685; Aberdeen Sheriff Court Inventories; SC1/36/27

Mimes MANSON said [pers.com. 2018] David was born abt 1776 - this would make him 20 yrs older than his wife - did he have a first marriage before coming to Sanday as light keeper??

If that is true - could David the Lightkeeper be related to 'my' 4-greats-grandmother Margaret LYALL (before 1770-before 1841) who married Pater MILLER and they had at least 8 children on Sanday between 1789-1805.


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