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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: spelling of »several«
« on: Saturday 11 October 25 22:32 BST (UK)  »
Looking at it again I think the writer is thrifty with his full stops.

If you put a full stop before the Several and say it out loud you can see that it might just be a capital letter "S". the word sepoys does not appear at the beginning of the sentence so would not, usually,  have a capital letter

They all are. Very. And not only with full stops. There is also a bedlam with capital letters. Words start with Capitals, and not, in the middle of the same sentence. sentences start with small letters, there is an utter Ulta-Pulta going on. So I do in fact two Versions of all texts - first a one to one transcription where a page in the text is a page in the copy, with all the mistakes (marked) and explanation of places and words and whatsoever; then I do a second version in a readable fashion with only the most important footnotes and glosseries.
In the first version I try to mark the proper sentences with added punctuation. But even that is not always possible, as there are also missing words (and even whole lines).

I rage all the time about those bloody scribes - until I start correcting my own transliterations. There I have ALL the same mistakes! (the only difference between me and the scribes is: I do corrections). It's a tedious work I do now for about seven years (and counting).
I am getting there. But it takes time.

Thanks for the input!
Jan

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: spelling of »several«
« on: Saturday 11 October 25 22:17 BST (UK)  »
What do you know about the diarist?. There might be a clue there.

Is the scribe copying the original faithfully....including the letters you see?

Happy you asked. I have in fact now 3 (three) versions of the text, all copies (the original is probably lost or at least has not yet resurfaced). I am working on a consolidated version of the three (two are finished). So far every text has different quirks and the »several« one is only seen in one of them (so far). I do not think its a quirk of Pemberton.

Jan

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: spelling of »several«
« on: Friday 10 October 25 11:35 BST (UK)  »
Did you read the Wikipedia article I posted?

Yes I did, and thank you for that. There is also a nice one herehttps://www.babelstone.co.uk/Blog/2006/06/rules-for-long-s.html. But those deal mainly with the printed word and note that most rules are not pertinent with the written one.
As mentioned, I have filed it by now under quirks of a peculiar scribe (really wish I had the names and backgrounds of all of them).

Jan

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: field diary 1832 deciphering problems
« on: Friday 10 October 25 10:41 BST (UK)  »
Regarding »cates«. Now having access to the OED (even »out here in the jungle«) I pondered over the problem. I think, Jenkins used »cates« in a sense of »pods«, in the first instance with cotton and oil plants, in the second with poppy (although I do not know if pod is the proper word for the thing that remains after the flower loses its petals).
Read in that sense the sentences get a meaning: »fine green cates« and »luxuriant poppy cates«.

There is still a few more spots to clean up. So if you find time, please take a minute to cast a look upon them. see: list of issues (post 201)

Jan

Getting further along with the research and now having found the first part of the diary (though as a  copy) in Nottingham, I came to the conlusion that »Cates« is Jenkinsish for Khets (fields). It makes so much more sense now. Thank you all for your help!

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: spelling of »several«
« on: Thursday 25 July 24 12:46 BST (UK)  »
I wonder if the long  s was used before a vowel and the short s was used before a consonant.

see Several vs. sepoys

j.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: spelling of »several«
« on: Thursday 25 July 24 12:44 BST (UK)  »
It is not a capital S, it is simply a long s.

Quite possible. But the question remains: Why a long s/capital s only with »several«?

I have filed it under quirks now.

J.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: spelling of »several«
« on: Wednesday 12 June 24 17:08 BST (UK)  »
Sorry it took me a while to reply. The text is a 1831 scribe copy of a 1830 personal diary. The scribe was a local working in an office for the East India Company.

here is a slightly larger snippet:

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / spelling of »several«
« on: Wednesday 29 May 24 11:46 BST (UK)  »
Hi, in my current text the word »several« is constantly written with a capital »S« (see picture). Was several written with a »long s« previously? I am just puzzled as it is so consistent.

Jan


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Thank you all! I think I can proceed for now. There will be more problems for sure. If I find out anything about the place I will post it here.

J.

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