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Hi all,
I finally received Grandads birth certificate today and am happy to say we were right about his parents being John and Sarah. So thank you to everybody who helped with the research and helping me piece together my family history.

As I mentioned early on in the forum I was always led to believe Davren wasn’t the original surname, and with a lot of amazing help from a fantastic person, they were able to trace it back to the original name of Devlin, changed from either my 5th Great Grandfather Arthur or within his time.

We have yet to find out why the name was changed, and it seems he was able to do it without registration which makes it harder to trace. But hopefully the answers will come to light soon.

A big thank you to everyone once again

Quote from: Pintsa on Saturday 12 October 19 14:34 BST (UK)

Billy was visiting his son in Sydney, Australia when he sadly passed away.

A W and G married 1999 in Glasgow but did live in Sydney around that period and are currently still in Australia

Are you in touch with Billy's son can they provide any details of Billy's death and funeral arrangements?
Perhaps they travelled back to the UK for the funeral?

Quote from: isobelw on Saturday 12 October 19 14:35 BST (UK)

That fits, though still can’t see a birth for William jnr

Neither can I 

Could there have been another son born c 1972? 

There's this death entry on SP and mmn is similar to Eleanor Morton MCGEACHIE apart from one letter

Alexander DAVREN Age 42    MCGLACHIE   2014   590/ 633   Rutherglen

My dad suggested yesterday trying to find him because he would love all this information on the family so I think I found a lead. I did message but am yet to hear back. Billy was the sibling we knew the best and dad did know Billy jr too, however he has said Billy only had 2 kids.....actually Dad said he doesn't know the daughters name or when and where she was born, maybe it was actually another Son

Hi, I just got off the phone to my dad who confirmed yes he married Eleanor but although they separated, Billy loved Eleanor very much and went back to her around 8 times after their separation. He doesn't believe that he ever got remarried.

From memory Dad thinks it was Eleanor who had him flown home from Sydney, Australia within 48 hours of his death, as it was Eleanor who wanted him buried at home and not in Australia. So although I can't say for certain, it doesn't sound like he re married

ADDED: I know he also had 2 children. A daughter (unsure of her name or year of birth) and also a son William Davren born maybe 1967-1970.

Yes it looks very like it! Please note I have amended my last post as it should have said Arthur Davren and Catherine McDermid.

I just re read that post myself and if the original Arthur Davren is the son of Arthur and Agnes Shillard it would make him the brother to my Great, Great, Great Grandfather John Davren Who married Jessie Carruthers in 1882

Sorry, I should have been clearer - Winning was William’s middle name. He was William Winning Davren.
I have just had a look at the death of one year old Arthur in 1935 and it confirms he was the son of John Davren, Motor Lorry Driver, and Sarah Cunningham Harkness Davren nee Winning. He died at Robroyston Hospital, but usual address was 192 Dalmarnock Road. He died of Bronco-Pneumonia and Enteritis. So not a still birth as you previously thought.
I wondered why I couldn’t find William’s death.
So it looks as if we have-
John born 1936
Son of John born 1907 and Sarah Winning
Grandson of Arthur born 1888 and Helen Hosie
Great grandson of John born 1865 (Perth) and Margaret Carruthers
Great/great grandson of Arthur Davren and Agnes Shilland

Oh thank you that's great information, its hard when I can't access any paperwork at all. But I am glad I reached the same order on my messy paperwork. It's very sad little Arthur died the same way his brother, my Grandad did all those years later. He declined so fast after a cancer diagnosis but I think it was the Bronco - phenomena that really took him in the end. And he had almost died as a young child from it aswell and it left a lot of scar tissue.