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Thank you Andy j2022 for a thorough response

Yes you are correct my 2GG is Rowland White and he was born 20 Oct 1851 so I presume no child soldier calculation needed.

I had the pension calculation record but had not appreciated it did show a purchase to buy out.
I wonder how he came by that amount I assume that 30 pounds was deducted from final pay?

I am in New Zealand so visit to UK archives is not possible. 

As with most things in genealogical research we do go down rabbit holes at times and this was one of mine.  I actually cannot find my 2GG's death record and while searching for that have re focused on every event in his early life.  His last appearance was in the 1881 census in Manchester, and he has a few events post military service events in Manchester, so the military events needed to be re verified.  The area of Manchester was Hulme in which there was a cavalry barracks (12th Lancers stationed there)

The only two things left in the military events is to confirm his enlistment date and to verify the first forces war record Rowland is my Rowland.  These are related but need to be reconciled with the known census record that puts him in Aldershot sometime between 2 April and 30 April 1871.

My final question would be your best estimate of that enlistment date.
To reconcile the facts of the 1871 worldwide army index assuming both records relate to my Rowland and the census definitely does then the enlistment date needs to be early April 1871
(how long would a recruit be labelled a recruit until he became a private in the regiment?)

Thanks again for all your efforts.


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I need help to understand how army service length is calculated and how a court martial sentence length would interact with date of discharge.

I have calculated length of time between known dates and cannot reconcile how the calculation is made.

My 2GG grandfather was in the 12th Lancers from at least 1871 to 1876

The known facts

1871 census appears as soldier. 12th Lancers, East cavalry barracks, Aldershot. Census date 2 April although form revised 30 April 1871

Forces war records 1871 worldwide army index. Started 1 April complete 30 June 1871.  Manchester recruiting depot district 7, Service number - unnumbered, location Manchester, rank recruit.

Forces war records 1871 worldwide army index. Started 1 April complete 30 June 1871.  12th (Prince of Wales Royal) Lancers, Regimental number 1215, location Aldershot, rank Private.

He was listed in the Police Gazette of 7 July 1875 as having deserted on 10 June 1875 when at Manchester, with 12th Lancers, Regimental number 1215.

Court martialed at Shorncliffe (Kent) on 9 December 1875 and was sentenced to 56 days hard labour for desertion.

On 15 April 1876 Pte. 1215 was discharged from 12th Lancers with a bad character following 4 years and 213 days service of which only 73 days counted towards pension.

Date calculations

56 days after 9 Dec 1875 is 3 Feb 1876

56 days before 15 April 1876 is 19 Feb 1876, or 129 days before 9 Dec 1875 

4 years and 213 days before 15 April 1876 is 15 Sep 1871
4 years and 213 days before 9 Dec 1875 is 10 May 1871
4 years and 213 days before 10 Jun 1875 is 9 Nov 1870

Questions
How does length of sentence reconcile with court martial and discharge date?
What would be normal for start of sentence after court martial and end of sentence and discharge?

When does length of service end - on desertion, or on discharge?

Because of the 1871 census, 2GG was in army in April 1871 that would seem to make service end on desertion?

What causes pensionable days to be so different from service days?

Thanks for any help on this. 

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Thank you for that, obvious when someone else explains
It was the inconsistency of use that folled me
Thanks again


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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Unknown place on military history sheet
« on: Saturday 12 April 25 04:20 BST (UK)  »
Help please to decipher the unknown places on this extract from my grandfathers military history
 
According to the instructions on the form countries should be listed and home used for all the UK
Which if adhered means the unknowns are countries?

I can read Home, India, Unknown, Mesopotamia and something else?, unknown, Malta, Home, India

The unknowns are for shorter periods, as is Malta, if that helps. 7,25, & 22 days respectively.

Thanks

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Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs / Muzaffarnagar in India.
« on: Thursday 10 April 25 05:30 BST (UK)  »
Hi

A restoration please for the photos of my grandad in India in the 1920's
These are different from the 'postcard' type I have just uploaded as they appear to be actual photos, no postcard printing on back, and have discoloured and worn very differently to the other 'postcard'

Does anyone know why the difference in the use of media? 

Grandad was in the Duke of Cornwall's light infantry in India. The other post on the postcard had words that said it was Muzaffarnagar in India. but I am not sure if this is the same place.

No info on the back

Thanks

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Hi

A restoration please for the photo of my grandad in India in the 1920's
This is the Duke of Cornwall's light infantry regimental police in camp on a march in Muzaffarnagar in India. The words on the back of the photo/postcard (unsent) which also names my grandfather as 3rd from left

Thanks

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Thanks for the comments and I appreciate the need to treat any 'hints' based on other peoples genealogical research with caution

My question was about the level of the DNA match as with 4th great grandfather as MRCA 5th cousin is the most likely match

in this case I have researched my tree and am comfortable with the genealogical facts my question was on the DNA results

 Of course, the greater the cM the greater the certainty but what about 5th cousins matches at 22 and 20cM?

 

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Hi all
 Some help please with a question on the theory of family relativity in My Heritage

I have been researching my GG grandfather Rowland White 1851 death unknown for sometime

The complication with Rowland is that he was married under a different name in 1877, was in the 1881 census and then does not appear anywhere else

I have a number of DNA cousins from my GG grandmothers line within ancestry which is where I tested. However at that site I have no White DNA cousins above Rowland to confirm Rowland is actually my genetic ancestor.

I have added my ancestry test to My Heritage and discovered a number of other DNA cousins the majority of which link well with my ancestry results.
I have more than one theory of family relativity results on other branches of my tree.

The good news is that I have two matches at 5th cousin level which I can trace to my GGGG grandfather William Green b 1805 as the MRCA.  That is Rowlands grandfather.
The matches both appear as Theory of family relativity matches and descend from different children of my GGGG grandfather.  One match is 22cM and the other is 20cM
The shared matches of these two did not add anything, all being of approximately the same values, 4 5th cousin range.

Is this a good enough match to say I am genetically descended fro William Green and hence Rowland is my GG grandfather

Thanks for any advice



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Armed Forces / Re: Role of regimental police
« on: Friday 28 March 25 02:24 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you andy j2022 for your reply an excellent explanation that answered my question



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