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Staffordshire / Re: Possilbe Illegitmate child
« on: Thursday 27 March 25 07:31 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks for your reply

However do they also have DNA that doesn't match or seem to link to her family because this is part of my issue.

If this is possible for this child or true...then I might be able to find the DNA connection.

Thanks again.

Rotosis

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Staffordshire / Re: Possilbe Illegitmate child
« on: Wednesday 26 March 25 22:58 GMT (UK)  »
Apologies

On the GRO website (changed names)  BRAND James   then the date and quarter and no mmn

On the FREE BMD website it says BRAND James  under the date and quarter and there is a mothers maiden name (changed again) KENDALL

The page numbers etc are the same on both sites.

I can buy the PDF cert though I have a feeling it will have the maiden name on it. However I know paper documents can be wrong (my partners paper trail is wrong on three lines... still proving two)

The reason I am asking if the child could be illegitimate is due to DNA which I have been unable to match up yet (still working on it), cousins I've never heard of...at present i am building trees for these cousins to try and work things out.

Hope this helps.

Rotosis

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Staffordshire / Re: Possilbe Illegitmate child
« on: Wednesday 26 March 25 20:59 GMT (UK)  »
Hi and thanks for your reply

I will get a copy of the birth, however i think it may turn out to be the one with the maiden name like on the FREE BMD website, rather than without a mothers maiden name ( as you said pointed out to me she wasn't married... which i didn't click to at the time of writing)

If I get a birth cert with the maiden name then I will have to puzzle out the DNA another way because I'm still trying to make sense of it.

Thanks again.

Rotosis

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Staffordshire / Re: Possilbe Illegitmate child
« on: Tuesday 25 March 25 23:38 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you all for your replies.

It was the same name at birth... never changed and this daughter never married.

The child was born in 1934 and on GRO the MMN is missing so wasn't sure if it mean illegitimate or not especially because a maiden name is on FREE BMD... Because they could be their parents child re age range of both possible mothers.... daughter was a few days for 19 and her mother was 42/3 makes me wonder who was the child's mother. 

The child died a few years ago.

I also have weird DNA for the family line which matches nothing I've researched over the years. I have the paper trail and all cousins etc...

This child is the only one who could be born outside marriage and brought up as the grandparents child. There are other things which are weird which probably only make sense to me.

Thank you to everyone for replying.

Rotosis




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Staffordshire Lookup Requests / Re: 1841 newcastle-under-lyme/ betley lookup Pleeease :)
« on: Tuesday 25 March 25 23:27 GMT (UK)  »
Hi

Just did a quick lookup and there isn't an 1841 census for Thomas and Mary. However i did find something on Genanet website which shows Thomas had three wives/partners... If this information is correct... He was married to Elizabeth before 1830 and must be in the 1841 census and the children were Ellen b. 1830 William b. 1832 Samuel b. 1832 Elizabeth b. 1836 Barbara b. 1839 and Mary b. 1841.  It then lists that he was with Mary and they had Thomas in 1848 then after Mary it was Ellen nee *Stubbs* and doesn't show any children.

I looked on GRO as well and there is a record for a Thomas Bayley born in Mar quarter of 1847 in Newcastle under Lyme. No mothers maiden name and I did see a post saying this can mean the child was illegitimate... no idea how true this is.

There is a death for an Elizabeth Bayley in the Jun Quarter of 1842
I can't see any other marriages for him...

I took screen shots not sure they are allowed on here so if you message me i can send them on that i think. Not used Roots for a while.

Good luck

Rotosis


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Staffordshire / Possilbe Illegitmate child
« on: Tuesday 25 March 25 00:32 GMT (UK)  »
Hi

I was reading a forum about the GRO BMD and the missing maiden name of the mother on some birth registrations. It mentioned it may hint at the child being illegitimate. However on the FREE BMD the maiden name is stated. So was curious as to which is correct or if one has been amended.

Reason I'm asking is due to the baby possibly belonging to an older sister and being brought up by their parents as a sibling rather than grandchild. The grandmothers maiden name is on the Free BMD. The other reason I'm asking is due to DNA of cousins I've never heard of and I'm still trying to connect the dots to find an answer. The oldest sister was 19 when the child was born and the mother or grandmother was 42. There were 12 years between the baby and the youngest sister.

I know the child could still belong to a woman of 42 yrs.
I have also done an in depth genealogy research for the family prior to doing DNA.

Thanks for any help.

Rotosis

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Flintshire / Re: Thomas F Watkins - SOLVED AND CLOSED WITH THANKS
« on: Monday 01 May 23 04:33 BST (UK)  »
Hi everyone

Thank you for your help. Mystery solved. I now have the marriage certificate for Thomas Francis Watkins who married my Aunt Nora. 

The headstone I found is correct.

Happy and another part of the tree is finished, other than contacting any children their son had.

Thank you again.

Rotosis

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Flintshire / Re: Thomas F Watkins SORTED with THANKS
« on: Sunday 26 March 23 04:10 BST (UK)  »
Hi folks

All done and sorted. Thanks to everyone and John Hood... He found the birth registration. It seems Queensland needs both forenames to find a person... where other sites don't.

All the dots now connect and It seems Francis A Watkins (half-cousin) is buried with his grandparents.

Thanks all

Rotosis

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Flintshire / Re: Thomas F Watkins
« on: Saturday 25 March 23 22:06 GMT (UK)  »
Hi John

Yeah sorry I got Samuel and Thomas mixed up there. I know Samuel married Jane... oops.

How or where did you find the birth? I looked in Queensland BMD and all the other states and couldn't find it. I know how you found it now. You put in both forenames. Other sites usually bring up both names in results apparently Queensland doesn't I checked on the off chance due to finding a family tree stating he was born in 1921 in Australia. Needless to say. Thank you for finding the birth registration :)

There is a marriage of his parents in the Uk and nothing in Queensland. However, I did find a couple of births for Jane Elizabeth Jones, though not of the year dates match her headstone. Meaning the one I found in the UK maybe hers.

Back to the army records and see what I can work out date wise.

Thank you for all your help

Rotosis

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