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Australia / Re: Mystery elphick re posted
« on: Saturday 29 November 25 11:55 GMT (UK) »
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Australia / Mystery elphick re posted
« on: Saturday 29 November 25 11:22 GMT (UK) »
I know I've already posted this back in may,but I'm having to repost it.
Hope that's OK.
On my original post,a lady sent me a link to trove ,to a possible connection. The post was 1869 ? And read ' female publican , near sydney,was left a small child by a man named elphick'
I've tried to find it again but I'm having no luck.
Mystery elphick
I’m looking for a Stephen elphick, who lived at adelong creek , now tumblong ( near gundagai) in 1865.
Newspaper story paper articles state, printed in the adelong times on Thursday 16 November 1865.
Details were that Stephen elphick, whose wife died some months ago, was allowed to live in an empty hut on mr William Edward’s land with his 4 children.
Mr Edwards was also known as adelong Bill.
The neighbours found the 4 children in a state , eating thistles. The eldest reported to be no more than 7 years old.
Mr Edwards went to the gundagai police who issued a warrant for the father’s arrest .
A cousin of mine who lives in Australia can’t find any trace of the warrant of the arrest or apprehension of Stephen elphick in the court gazettes from the of the article through to 1868.
Trove helped when an article was found on the gundagai police court proceedings held on Monday , Nov 13 1865 when Stephen was brought before said court on summons , for charge of desertion of his family.
Obviously there was extenuating circumstance, as to why the warrant was not executed. He was discharged after admonishment from the bench.
Is there any more information on this case?
I can’t find any other details on this case. Stephens age,the ages and names of his children . Baptism or birth.
Marriage of Stephen elphick to his wife. Or death and burial of his dead wife.
I would just like to add that the elphicks in the gundagai, south gundagai, nangos, tumbling and tumut area are one big multi generational family of the convict James elphick. B 1810 East Sussex. Transported on the “mangles”.
James had a son by his first wife, called Stephen . However, Stephens wife did not die in 1865, and from memory they had 13 children , including a son also called Stephen b 1860.
The convict James elphick also had another 9 children with his second wife, Jane fuller. The last of which was born 1866.
The Stephen elphick I’m looking for is not part of this family.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Hope that's OK.
On my original post,a lady sent me a link to trove ,to a possible connection. The post was 1869 ? And read ' female publican , near sydney,was left a small child by a man named elphick'
I've tried to find it again but I'm having no luck.
Mystery elphick
I’m looking for a Stephen elphick, who lived at adelong creek , now tumblong ( near gundagai) in 1865.
Newspaper story paper articles state, printed in the adelong times on Thursday 16 November 1865.
Details were that Stephen elphick, whose wife died some months ago, was allowed to live in an empty hut on mr William Edward’s land with his 4 children.
Mr Edwards was also known as adelong Bill.
The neighbours found the 4 children in a state , eating thistles. The eldest reported to be no more than 7 years old.
Mr Edwards went to the gundagai police who issued a warrant for the father’s arrest .
A cousin of mine who lives in Australia can’t find any trace of the warrant of the arrest or apprehension of Stephen elphick in the court gazettes from the of the article through to 1868.
Trove helped when an article was found on the gundagai police court proceedings held on Monday , Nov 13 1865 when Stephen was brought before said court on summons , for charge of desertion of his family.
Obviously there was extenuating circumstance, as to why the warrant was not executed. He was discharged after admonishment from the bench.
Is there any more information on this case?
I can’t find any other details on this case. Stephens age,the ages and names of his children . Baptism or birth.
Marriage of Stephen elphick to his wife. Or death and burial of his dead wife.
I would just like to add that the elphicks in the gundagai, south gundagai, nangos, tumbling and tumut area are one big multi generational family of the convict James elphick. B 1810 East Sussex. Transported on the “mangles”.
James had a son by his first wife, called Stephen . However, Stephens wife did not die in 1865, and from memory they had 13 children , including a son also called Stephen b 1860.
The convict James elphick also had another 9 children with his second wife, Jane fuller. The last of which was born 1866.
The Stephen elphick I’m looking for is not part of this family.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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The Common Room / Re: Mary ann smith/grocock
« on: Saturday 04 October 25 11:05 BST (UK) »
Thank you.
That clears that theory up lol.
That clears that theory up lol.
Hi
Usually the Soldier would return with his regiment on a troop ship to his country.The wife and children would go on a special War Bride ship to a main Port and then by train to her Husband and family.
The Wives did not go with their husbands on an official ship paid for by the Army of their husband.
The War Bride ship would I presume be free but it was very much with the other wives.And for that she would need a marriage certificate.
If she's on the same Ship ,she or her 'husband' have paid their passage.
Ciderdrinker
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The Common Room / Re: Mary ann smith/grocock
« on: Friday 03 October 25 20:40 BST (UK) »
But would she have to be married to the serviceman to get passage back to the country of origin with him . Actually with him . On board the same vessel. Curtesy of which ever army he was serving. Or would she have to be his 'wife'
The lady in question was already married to someone else and left two children behind .
The lady in question was already married to someone else and left two children behind .
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The Common Room / Mary ann smith/grocock
« on: Friday 03 October 25 16:28 BST (UK) »
Hi all.
If an already married lady met a serviceman here in the uk, who was from another country, during ww1 , could she go back with him to his country of origin without getting married to him.She may not of disclosed this information .
If an already married lady met a serviceman here in the uk, who was from another country, during ww1 , could she go back with him to his country of origin without getting married to him.She may not of disclosed this information .
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The Common Room / Re: Presumed death
« on: Friday 26 September 25 10:17 BST (UK) »
If I do find anything on the subject I'll let you know. 👍
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The Common Room / Re: Presumed death
« on: Friday 26 September 25 08:44 BST (UK) »
Sorry this has taken so long. The Internet went down in our area a few days ago and has been on and off since.
So. I spoke to the death registry department in the GRO. And basically the person I spoke to said I had done everything that they would of suggested.
And no. The presumed death would not be included on the death index.
And the person I spoke to didn't know if there was a separate record .
If there was ,she didn't know about it. She also said she would of thought there would be a record of it somewhere 🤔
Basically. I got nowhere 😕
The search continues.
I'm still looking for any evidence of Mary ann grocock abandoning her two young children around 1919 Leicester. Only for them being rescued by a neighbour after fire engulfed the house . 😖
So. I spoke to the death registry department in the GRO. And basically the person I spoke to said I had done everything that they would of suggested.
And no. The presumed death would not be included on the death index.
And the person I spoke to didn't know if there was a separate record .
If there was ,she didn't know about it. She also said she would of thought there would be a record of it somewhere 🤔
Basically. I got nowhere 😕
The search continues.
I'm still looking for any evidence of Mary ann grocock abandoning her two young children around 1919 Leicester. Only for them being rescued by a neighbour after fire engulfed the house . 😖
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The Common Room / Re: Presumed death
« on: Tuesday 23 September 25 11:17 BST (UK) »
The information about presumed deaths isn’t clear , but it’s very interesting , and an area I’ve never had reason to look into . Until now lol. I’ll let you know what the GRO say when I ring them later . 👍
Although a good deal earlier than the period you are talking about, I have a GG Uncle who disappeared in the Philippines sometime after 1867.
In 1895 the family applies to the Court to have him presumed dead.
He does not appear in the GRO death indices for either 1867 (date of presumed death) or 1895 (date of declaration)
I do not know if this is because his death was abroad or if it was a policy to not include presumed deaths
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The Common Room / Re: Presumed death
« on: Tuesday 23 September 25 11:08 BST (UK) »Thank you. It’s just a subject I’ve never looked into before.
I’ll let you know what the GRO say.
There are thousands of items in the online papers re presumed death. I took a couple of dozen yesterday and tried to find a death registration. Restricted myself to unusual names and limited period of "missing". The loss of the Stella, 1899, furnished a couple. These were instances where a family member had gone down with the ship where others survived.
Found 2 death registrations under FindMyPast's "Overseas deaths" but no others. Found about a dozen probate records which included "... died on or since ......" (or similar wording) and where eg. " ... at sea ...".
The earliest legislation relating to a Register of presumed Deaths I spotted was 2013/14. I noted a bill to introduce such a register in Scotland in 1888 was proposed but couldn't discover if it became law.
I imagine the GRO has a list/register but not available to the public?