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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Romany/Scottish Travellers in Ireland
« on: Friday 09 August 19 18:07 BST (UK) »
Hi River Tyne Lass and thanks for your reply! I do know that Francis James was married to Marian Paton (daughter of Robert Paton and Martha Mitchell) in Newcastle in 1898. Really, they are just not to be found before the 1881 Newcastle census. I also know that of the kids born in Ireland, all married in the UK (except perhaps Andrew, b. 1866 in Ireland - I can't find much for him at all. Margaret b. 1867 married in 1889 in Newcastle; Matilda b. 1870 married in 1894 in Newcastle. William b. 1871 was a master of a steam ship at the Quay by 1911, but I can't find a wife. James b. 1872 - have yet to find anything for him; Mary Jane b. 1874 married in Newcastle in 1898... I really just can't find anything for them before 1881, except for the marriage of William Cooper and Ellenor Henderson in Armagh in 1864...
Hi Dathai! I am pretty certain I am tracing the right family... it's taken me a long time to get this far! Being labelled a joiner in the census doesn't preclude William from also being a Traveller. Joiners make smaller more ornamental objects - furniture, fittings, etc and not the larger stuff of a carpenter or other woodworker. My grandfather made wooden stools with seats woven from cloth or reeds that he was taught to make by his dad, Francis James). Most Travellers weren't labelled as such in the census, especially in the North East (if they even appear in the census) and most had some kind of house address by the 1800s). I'm not sure of the other links you posted - they went to login forms on other sites. Are these to look for the birth certificates etc? FamilySearch seems to have the same information I have, but no more. I'll look at that Irish one though, for sure. They seem to have settled down when they came back to Newcastle - maybe even before that (most being "labourers, dealers (marine or general), woodworkers (joiners), and a few hawkers). I still don't know anything about them before 1881 though (except the marriage in Armagh!)
Hi Dathai! I am pretty certain I am tracing the right family... it's taken me a long time to get this far! Being labelled a joiner in the census doesn't preclude William from also being a Traveller. Joiners make smaller more ornamental objects - furniture, fittings, etc and not the larger stuff of a carpenter or other woodworker. My grandfather made wooden stools with seats woven from cloth or reeds that he was taught to make by his dad, Francis James). Most Travellers weren't labelled as such in the census, especially in the North East (if they even appear in the census) and most had some kind of house address by the 1800s). I'm not sure of the other links you posted - they went to login forms on other sites. Are these to look for the birth certificates etc? FamilySearch seems to have the same information I have, but no more. I'll look at that Irish one though, for sure. They seem to have settled down when they came back to Newcastle - maybe even before that (most being "labourers, dealers (marine or general), woodworkers (joiners), and a few hawkers). I still don't know anything about them before 1881 though (except the marriage in Armagh!)