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Scotland / Re: Iain/John interchangeable
« on: Yesterday at 18:43 »
But pronunciation over time changes and we should not forget this.  That is how Donald could become Daniel, because of the the way it sounded.  And then how someone wrote that down.

There is no J or a J sound in Welsh: Sion/Sean was the Welsh equivalent of John.  Jan is the Dutch and other European languages equivalent of John.  The J sounds like 'y'.

And to quote Sean Connery aka Dr Henry Jones in the famous film: "Jehovah in Latin begins with 'I'  "and was pronounced in Hebrew as Yahweh.

Nell

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Europe / Re: Ravna in Eastern Serbia Location Query
« on: Yesterday at 17:56 »
These might be the approximate co-ordinates:

43°38′N 22°14′E

Nell

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Scotland / Re: Iain/John interchangeable
« on: Yesterday at 17:21 »
I have Daniel/Donald as the interchangeable names in one of my Scottish families.  It is another example of Gaelic names where the pronunciation has led to the other.

Elizabeth and Isabel are potentially also interchangeable.  Ishbel or Elspet are Scottish variants.  Isabel(le) was common in medieval French, while Elizabeth was perhaps more widely used in England.

Nell

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The Common Room / Re: Death of Monica Leslie
« on: Yesterday at 16:39 »
Thank you, Carole, for alerting us all to this sad news. 

Monica was a lovely person and a wonderful guide to those searching in Scotland.  I will miss her.

Nell

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Search for Unknown Relative
« on: Saturday 28 February 26 17:01 GMT (UK)  »
No, I hadn't, but then followed that up.  There was a death notice in January 2020.  She did have daughters.

Back to the mother Lilian Rowena Gatrall - she was with the Hollis family in 1901 as adopted daughter, spelt Gatrill.

I'm trying to find if there is any familial connection, but I'm getting very confused  :-\

Fanny Hollis (adoptive mother of Lily Rowena Gatrall) is widowed by 1901.  Her husband was Alfred Hollis.

By 1921, she has a granddaughter, born in Portsmouth, and it says her father is dead.  Her name is Lily and she was registered as Lily R, mother's maiden name Hollis.

Tracing this Lily forward, she married in 1939 and died in 1993,  She was another Lily Rowena.

Those names are too much of a coincidence.  There is some link somewhere.

Nell

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Search for Unknown Relative
« on: Saturday 28 February 26 11:29 GMT (UK)  »
I saw that one too, but I wasn't getting anywhere with filling the gap between 1931 and 1951.

There may be children from the 1951 marriage, but White is a common name.

The possible husband may have died in 2002.

I've been looking at newspapers and other obituary sites but drawn a blank so far.

Nell

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Search for Unknown Relative
« on: Friday 27 February 26 23:18 GMT (UK)  »
I've ruled out the Calborne birth since it was registered in the September quarter, so would not cover the period in question.

The other one is annotated 'Occasional Copy A' which means that it was amended in some way after the initial registration; see this thread for an explanation

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=862475.0

It might mean that the father's name has been included.  Unfortunately the certificate is not available as a digital download.  You have to go for the full certificate.

Nell

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Search for Unknown Relative
« on: Friday 27 February 26 22:54 GMT (UK)  »
There are two female Gatrall/Gatrell births in 1931 registered on the Isle of Wight, one in the Newport subdistrict and the other in Calborne.  From the names, one is more likely than the other to be the child you seek.  Neither one of them died on the island, nor can I trace a marriage.

It is possible that the child was adopted.  I can only find one child with the birth date you gave living on the Isle of Wight in 1939 and that was a boy.  If the person you seek is still alive, and their name changed due to adoption, then it gets trickier.

Nell

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Search for Unknown Relative
« on: Friday 27 February 26 22:22 GMT (UK)  »
Lily Rowena Gattrall married Leonard Cass in 1940 on the Isle of Wight.

Nell

Added: she died 11 Sep 1973, Leonard died in 1969.  No sign of any children

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