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The Common Room / Re: Revolutionary War records
« on: Wednesday 16 October 24 10:28 BST (UK)  »
Thank you very much for this information. Yes, apologies, you are correct in your assumption about my erroneous dates.

There are virtually no Army service records which have survived from that period. The best you might expect is a record of him being awarded a pension. but since he only appears to have possibly served for a few years, a pension is unlikely. The only way you might find a record of him is to search through the muster rolls of the dozen or so English Regiments which fought in the War of Independence. However with a name as common as Thomas Allen, this is unlikely to be conclusive, and you wouldn't find any additional details to confirm that you had the right man.

Generally until 1806, soldiers enlisted for life (in practice this meant they remained until they were deemed unfit for further service). A man joining at the age of 18 or 20 might expect to serve until he was in his late 40s.

However the Army's need for recruits during the American War of Independence was so great that new measures were introduced, including larger bounties (£3) and shorter duration engagements. Impressment was also authorised for "all able-bodied idle, and disorderly persons, who could not upon examination prove themselves to exercise and industrially follow some lawful trade or employment, or to have some substance sufficient for their support and maintenance". However the latter provision was only introduced by the Recruiting Act of 1778, so it probably would not have been the reason for Thomas Allen's absence. That said, even before 1778 recruiting sergeants were not above inducing or tricking men into taking the King's shilling after plying them with drink.

re Rosie's comment, I had assumed that his dates were actually 1753 - 1821.

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The Common Room / Re: Revolutionary War records
« on: Wednesday 16 October 24 10:27 BST (UK)  »
Woops, sorry. Got the centuries wrong.

Could you please tell us where in Norfolk Thomas was living and who he married. 

Your dates don't make sense  :-\

Hi there, probably a long shot, but does anyone know if there are records of soldiers who volunteered in the British Army during the Revolutionary War? My ancestor Thomas Allen (1853-1921) married his wife in Norfolk in 1775, had two kids, then went missing for about 8-9 years from 1777 to about 1784, before popping back up and having several more kids with his wife from 1785 onward. I'm just wondering if him joining the Army might explain this disappearance. Many thanks!

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The Common Room / Revolutionary War records
« on: Wednesday 16 October 24 03:45 BST (UK)  »
Hi there, probably a long shot, but does anyone know if there are records of soldiers who volunteered in the British Army during the Revolutionary War? My ancestor Thomas Allen (1753-1821) married his wife in Norfolk in 1775, had two kids, then went missing for about 8-9 years from 1777 to about 1784, before popping back up and having several more kids with his wife from 1785 onward. I'm just wondering if him joining the Army might explain this disappearance. Many thanks!

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Europe / Re: Searching for a secret marriage in France - early 1900s
« on: Monday 27 May 24 10:08 BST (UK)  »
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William lived in France (mostly Paris) between 1912 and 1917

What was his occupation and do you have any addresses for him in Paris or other proof he was there in the mentioned years? Possible he was elsewhere in France or elsewhere in Europe entirely, especially during the war.

It is also possible that transcription of the letter is incorrect and the woman was e.g. fiancee not wife.

Hi there, all these things are definite possibilities. Unfortunately everything I "know" from that time is so vague. He never EVER talked about his childhood, and I wonder if he lied about the year of his birth also, as his daughters are adamant he was born in 1896, but really it was 1895. His "wife" is, I suspect, to remain a mystery.

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Europe / Re: Searching for a secret marriage in France - early 1900s
« on: Wednesday 15 May 24 02:27 BST (UK)  »
Thank you all so much for your input! I really appreciate the time people have taken. Sadly I may have to resign myself to never knowing the truth, as I have no other information that could give any more clues.

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Europe / Re: Searching for a secret marriage in France - early 1900s
« on: Monday 13 May 24 12:03 BST (UK)  »
I see on his M/C to Joan he says he is a Bachelor.
Maybe he never married the French Woman.

Trish :)

This is definitely possible, however I am slightly hesitant to believe the "bachelor", as his brother Jack listed himself as a "widow" on his M/C to his second wife, when in actual fact he was divorced! If one brother did such a thing, perhaps two did.

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Europe / Re: Searching for a secret marriage in France - early 1900s
« on: Monday 13 May 24 11:55 BST (UK)  »
German POW records list his next of kin as his father J W Allen. No mention of a spouse.

There's a Red Cross missing soldier search enquiry for Capt. William Ruskin Allen from Margaret Drinkwater, Allendune, Blakeney, Norfolk. When he was traced to a PoW camp she was informed by telephone. That would be his sister, I think.

You are correct, Margaret was his sister.

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Europe / Searching for a secret marriage in France - early 1900s
« on: Monday 13 May 24 11:20 BST (UK)  »
Hello there, I am searching for the first wife (I believe she was French) of my ancestor William Ruskin Allen (b. 1895 in Berkshire, England). The only lead I have is the summary of a letter written by William Allen's father John, to William's wife, when William was taken prisoner in World War 1. The letter was donated to the Imperial War Museum and they then lost it (only the summary remains, which does not name William's wife).

William lived in France (mostly Paris) between 1912 and 1917, so if the woman he married was French, it would be during that time. He did not marry in England. After being repatriated at the end of the war, William returned to England, and later married a woman in Ghana. His children from that marriage know nothing about a first wife and deny her existence.

Any help would be so appreciated. I have been searching for her for many years.

Here is the link to the letter summary: https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/1030007705

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The Common Room / Re: How much did pupil teachers earn in 1860s?
« on: Tuesday 12 March 24 10:31 GMT (UK)  »
Some servants were paid more in the 1860s
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01t21/

It's absolutely fascinating to me, that my great-great-grandfather could have gone and been a servant, or a farmhand and made more money. His parents were both unable to work, so the whole household relied upon him. His headmaster wrote that he was a "very skillful and apt teacher" so I suppose he believed in him and encouraged him to pursue the career. The headmaster even raised the three pounds to pay for him to go to Borough Road College in London.

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