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Sussex / Re: White Family of Chichester Sussex
« on: Wednesday 08 January 20 22:03 GMT (UK)  »
Dear jonw65,

Thank you so much for your assistance. it is very interesting as I hadn't picked up that Fanny and Charlotte were born in different places. James must have been seeking work. One area of historic interest is that during that period England was heavily influenced by the Industrial Revolution and the farming labourers' payment changed. They were paid for how much they had reaped. The country had gone through several years of poor crops due to the weather. So earning the earning capacity had been badly affected. This contributed as to why so many people were convicted and transported because many had to steal to support their families.

Many sincere thanks for you help.
Kind regards
Karen

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Sussex / Re: White Family of Chichester Sussex
« on: Wednesday 08 January 20 20:41 GMT (UK)  »
Dear Rosie,

Thank you so very much for your leads and I will definitely follow through. I did read an account some time ago, by the ship's doctor but didn't find anything about our girls. hopefully there might be something in the Kew documents. I just love your dog. We have Tibetan Terriers.

I really appreciate your kindness in helping me.
Best wishes
karen

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Sussex / Re: White Family of Chichester Sussex
« on: Wednesday 08 January 20 10:07 GMT (UK)  »
Dear Chempat,

I have searched for dear Sarah without any success. It seems she just vanished. My g grandmother Fanny, when she was admitted to the "poor' asylum in Adelaide, claimed she arrived in Australia on board the Royal Admiral. That was a convict ship. It's last voyage to Australia was in 1842 and that was a transportation of an all female convicts. The following includes your reference and is part of the research I uncovered.

According to a reference on the families of convicts. Wives and children had the opportunity to be reunited under a government scheme in the UK. On the ship they were fed, clothed and on some ships the children received a rudimentary education. The families were listed separately on the embarkation lists which often did not state numbers or names of the free women and children, but between 1820 and 1842 at least 297 wives and 643 children were sent out to join their husbands and fathers in Van Diemen's Land.

A footnote to the 1842 passenger list of the Royal Admiral is that names were missing from the transcribed list but that the original record would have those names. Can anyone tell me where I might find the original record for this voyage, please? I know that in previous research there were at least 17 children on board that voyage of female convicts.

The only way I can think where the children may have been identified is perhaps in the ship's manifest in England. I have been unsuccessful in obtaining that information. It appears Fanny had a child in Adelaide in 1847. So it may be she was on the Royal Admiral as a child in 1842. The Royal Admiral sank later off the coast of India.

Many thanks for your kindness
Karen Kestigian   

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Sussex / White Family of Chichester Sussex
« on: Wednesday 08 January 20 04:23 GMT (UK)  »
Dear Fellow Genealogy Researchers,

Thank you for the opportunity to post my query and to all those who read it my sincere appreciation.

I have a rather large brick-wall that is proving difficult to break down. Following is the research I have managed to piece together:
My G Grandmother: Fanny White - Born 1829 Westhampnett, Chichester, Sussex England.
Her Sister: Charlotte White - Born 1831 (as above)
Father: James White - Born 1805 – (1809/10) - labourer
Mother: Sarah Forester - Born 1808
Married: 1829 Boxgrove, Sussex England

The next piece of information is a supposition on my part as it seems to fit:
Hampshire Telegraph, 24 October 1831
Sussex
On Monday and Tuesday, the Quarterly Sessions for the Western Division of the county were held at the Guildhall, Chichester...
On Monday the following prisoners were tried...
James White, for stealing at Boxgrove, on the 17th of August, four gallons of wheat, the property of Thomas Fogden, was sentenced to seven years'
transportation. The prisoner was employed by prosecutor at the rate of four shillings per diem during the last harvest when he committed the theft

Further to this entry is the following:

New South Wales 1832
List of Male Convicts by the Ship Lady Harewood...arrived from England 5 August 1832

Indent No. 151
James White
Age - 21
Read/Write - None
Religion - Protestant
Single, Married, or Widowed - Married
Children - 2 Female
Native Place - Sussex
Trade/Calling - Ploughman, shepherd, milks, sows, reaps Offence - Stealing grain Where Tried - Sussex Quarter Sessions When Tried - 17 October 1831 Sentence - 7 Years Former Conviction - None Height - 5 feet 5 3/4 inches Complexion - Fair ruddy Hair - Brown Eyes - Chestnut Marks - Scar right side of forehead, small red mark outer corner of red eye

The two daughters Fanny and Charlotte make it to Australia sometime between the 1830s and 1843. Many of the children of convicts were transported to reunite with their parent/parents. As such they were only identified as children. I have not been able to find Sarah White nee Forester after the date of James' conviction. I can only think she may have gone into the poor house?? Any insights or advice would be greatly appreciated.

Kind regards
From Australia
Karen Kestigian

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Australia / Re: James White
« on: Tuesday 16 April 19 00:24 BST (UK)  »
Dear Wivenhoe,

This is the newspaper report which has the vital information - I have edited it as the report is too extensive for this site:

POLICE COURT.
WEDNESDAY, APRIL 5.
[Before Mr. H. E. Bright, M.P., and T. O.
Jones, J. P.]
WIFE DESERTION.—Henry Munday was charged with deserting his wife.
Emma Munday, said — I am the wife of defendant. He deserted me six weeks before
Christmas. He said he would send for me. I went to Port Lincoln three months ago, and
heard my husband was there.......my confinement he would give me an order to go to the Destitute. I then took out a summons against my husband.  I came to Port Lincoln to Larkin's, and you wrote to me to take a house for a fortnight you could come down.  I heard you were ...... miles away I did not come to you because my arm was bad, and I met my step-father on the road, and he said I
had better go on to Adelaide. I then went on in the mail to Streaky Bay, and went in a
vessel to Adelaide. I did not go with two men, only my step-father. His brother was
with him in the mail, and a lot more; but I only went with my step-father. By the Court
— Where I went to was 100 miles farther away from Adelaide. My step-father paid my
passage. My own father is in the Destitute. His name is Parker. Mr. Stanley, my step-
father, is married to my mother, who was never married to my own father.


Emma Mundy (Munday) married a second time to a William Gamble in 1885. She died in NSW in 1908 and her father is registered as "George" and mother "Fanny".

Cheers and thank you for your interest and assistance.

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Australia / Re: James White
« on: Monday 15 April 19 22:10 BST (UK)  »
Dear Jonw65,

All this information is so amazing. Thank you so very much. Interestingly I did find this James White on the convict list into NSW just yesterday but there wasn't the detail that you have provided. I really do think this is our James. Throughout my search for Frances' origins and how she and Charlotte arrived in Australia I had in the back of my mind that there was a connection to transportation. In a book on the Standley's there is an entry of when she was admitted to the destitute asylum a year before she passed. In that it states she arrived in Australia on the "Royal Admiral". Now that was mainly a convict ship. I could not find her on any manifests. Also the dates of the journey's to Australia didn't match with the earlier research I uncovered. I wonder if his wife died??

The interesting piece you have uncovered is the mention of Chichester. In the admissions account information Frances states she is from Chichester, Sussex. If she was a small child when she arrived in Australia then perhaps that was all she knew?? I can't tell you how excited I am with this news. Thank you so much. Now to try and discover what happened to him, Sarah his wife and the girls in Australia.
Kindest regards and again my sincere thanks
Karen

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Australia / Re: James White
« on: Monday 15 April 19 09:37 BST (UK)  »
Thank you for that information most interesting regarding Boxgrove perhaps this James White is a relative.

The girls were definitely in Australia by 1847. I have not found them on any shipping manifests. However, Frances White had a boy named George with George "Barker" is how it was registered but the surname is really Parker. She had a daughter also with George. In a Trove newspaper article the daughter says her father and mother never married. She goes onto say her mother's husband was Mr Standley of Norwood.

Frances had a relationship with Charles Standley and had her first son (to him) Robert Standley was born in 1863 then she had a second son my grandfather Daniel in 1868. They never married. The Standley's had property both on Eyre Peninsula - where it is believed Frances met Charles - and in Norwood where Daniel was born. Many thanks   

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Australia / Re: James White
« on: Monday 15 April 19 08:31 BST (UK)  »
Wow, that looks promising. I have wondered if James White may have come to Australia as a convict?? Girls sent to the Poor House were also transported to Australia as servants. It is really hard because in many cases the children were never identified either as simply passengers accompanying their parents , as children of convicts or girls being transported under the "Earl Grey"scheme of taking them out of the Poor Houses and shipping them off to the colonies.
Many thanks for your assistance it is really appreciated.

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Australia / Re: James White
« on: Monday 15 April 19 07:47 BST (UK)  »
Thank you for your reply. I have not found them in the census.

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