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Limerick / Re: Richard Bull Snr.
« on: Thursday 26 September 19 00:31 BST (UK)  »
thanks so much everybody, the Bull wall has been well and truely demolished!
P.S. Hope there's no noisy trucks tonight!
 ;)

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Limerick / Re: Richard Bull Snr.
« on: Wednesday 25 September 19 12:26 BST (UK)  »
Thanks so much everyone and especially Sinann for hitting the jackpot! Now I know where the stubborn streak in the family comes from! I guessed due to the nature of his job Richard was probably not a very popular man at the time but I didn't realise he'd barred Florence from seeing her Mother! :o

I was wondering how you found the article, is there an Irish newspaper archive website?

Many thanks!

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Limerick / Re: Richard Bull Snr.
« on: Wednesday 25 September 19 03:27 BST (UK)  »
Thanks so much for the tips! Wow, Im always amazed by all your detective work on here!

Unfortunately though I think I may be barking up the wrong tree or in this case, the wrong Bull!

On both the 1901 and 1911 census it says Richard Bull was born in Co. Tipperary and both times he's listed as Church of Ireland.

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/King_s_Co_/Tullamore_Rural/Spollanstown/1471524/

Ive a feeling he may be connected to William H Bull from Nenagh (1810-1876) who was a petty sessions law clerk but I cant find any records of William having a son called Richard. Its a mystery!

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Limerick / Richard Bull Snr.
« on: Tuesday 24 September 19 23:13 BST (UK)  »
Richard Bull was married in 1850 in Limerick, Ireland...according to civil records on genealogy.ie.

Is there anyway I can find out who he was married to (probably a Church Of lreland marriage).

He had a son, also called Richard, in Co. Tipperary who went on to became sub-sheriff of Birr.

Thanks!





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Wexford / Re: Sutherlands in The Harrow, Ballyhaddock, Co. Wexford- HELP NEEDED
« on: Saturday 13 April 19 00:02 BST (UK)  »
No I hadn’t actually, thanks so much for all your help. I’ll sleep better tonight!   :)

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Wexford / Re: Sutherlands in The Harrow, Ballyhaddock, Co. Wexford- HELP NEEDED
« on: Friday 12 April 19 15:30 BST (UK)  »
yes, there's been quite a few ahh! moments on this particular side of the family, I hope the other side's a bit easier! Also I just realised the Bridget Byrne was probably Catherine's sister, Bridget.

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Wexford / Re: Sutherlands in The Harrow, Ballyhaddock, Co. Wexford- HELP NEEDED
« on: Friday 12 April 19 14:23 BST (UK)  »
Ooh, you've beaten me to it and just solved another mystery (see below)!!


Thanks Sinann and Daithi, I guess there could have been a little bit too much red wine on the day but they certainly dont make it easy for us! That's interesting about Cathrine Murphy, I cant seem to find a birth cert for her but I'll have a proper look later. The funny thing is when I looked back again at the birth cert for James Keane I noticed that my Great Uncle, Peter Kelly was above them! Which is brilliant, because, I was just about to throw a spanner into the works, i.e. there is another Sunderland in the family tree! I wasn't sure if they were connected but I'm pretty certain now, thanks to you guys, you are wizards!! I'll try and explain,

Peter Kelly's parents were Peter Kelly and Mary Murray from Marlay, but Peter Kelly Snr was Mary Murray's second husband because she was previously married to a John Sunderland (1898) but John died a year later. Mary Murray (or Sunderland as the marriage cert says) then married Peter Kelly in 1903 in Rathfarnham.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1910/01561/1630405.pdf

I also noticed a Bridget Byrne from Ballyboden on the Catherine and Michael Keane marriage cert who may have previously been a Kelly as that's where some of them lived at that time.

Finally, it's all starting to come together! Thanks so much for all your help, this one was tricky! :)

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Wexford / Re: Sutherlands in The Harrow, Ballyhaddock, Co. Wexford- HELP NEEDED
« on: Friday 12 April 19 12:18 BST (UK)  »
yes, I see that now, thanks Sinann, that makes sense with Sarah saying she was from Co. Wicklow on the 1901 census. Im still confused though about the name 'Michl', do you think it might have been a clerical error and is 'Jacobi' latin for James? Also can anyone read who the witnesses were, I think I see, Patricia Timmons and Margaret Nolan??

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Wexford / Re: Sutherlands in The Harrow, Ballyhaddock, Co. Wexford- HELP NEEDED
« on: Friday 12 April 19 11:33 BST (UK)  »
Thanks everyone, so this is what I do know:

Mary Sunderland married James Murphy 1864
Name   James Murphy
Event Type   Marriage
Event Date   20 Nov 1864
Event Place   Gorey, Gorey, County Wexford, Ireland
Event Place   Gorey, Gorey, Ireland
Age   27
Birth Year (Estimated)   1837
Father's Name   Michael Murphy
Spouse's Name   Mary Sunderland
Spouse's Age   19
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated)   1845
Spouse's Father's Name   Michael Sunderland


Sarah Murphy (1869-1925) married Thomas Donnelly (1872-1946) in 1893 in Rathdfarnham and had 7 children, Joseph, Mary Emily, Marcella, Peter, James, Michael and Bridget. They lived in House 3 Kilmashogue, Whitechurch, Dublin. Sarah's parents were listed as James and Mary Murphy from Kilmashogue. Thomas's parents were Timothy and Mary Donnelly from Hollypark (but originally Wexford).

It says on the 1901 census that Sarah was born in Co. Wicklow which threw me off for a long time but I have since found on her birth cert it says Rathdown was in Co. Wicklow and not Co. Dublin so Im going with that one!

The Murphy children:

Bridget: Oct 2nd 1865 - James Murphy and Mary Sunderland from Ballinagrann, Gorey, Co. Wexford with Sarah Sunderland present at birth

Mary: March 29th 1867 - James Murphy and Mary Sunderland from (Glyn?), Gorey Co. Wexford with Sarah Sunderland (from Ballinagrann) present at birth.

Sarah: Jan 20th 1869 - Michl Murphy and Mary Sutherland* (notice name change) from Fiaserae? Rathdown, Co. Wicklow with Eliza Fuigan? from Bray Common present at birth

Michael: 17th Oct 1875 - James Murphy and Mary Sunderland from 'The Blind Lane', Kilmashogue bridge, Whitechurch, Rathfarnham

Ellen: 26th Nov - James Murphy and Mary Sutherland* (name change again) from Kilmashogue.

James: 11th April 1881 - James Murphy and Mary Sunderland from Kilmashogue with Aunt Mary Murphy present at birth

Margaret: 24th June 1883 - James Murphy and Mary Sunderland from Kilmashogue with Mary Murphy present

Esther: 28th March 1888 - James Murphy and Mary Southern* (they didn't even bother to finish her name this time!) from Kilmashogue

Sinann and Daithi: They are the birth certs that I found and yes it does like they moved around a bit but finally ended up in Kilmashogue. I guess they went where the work was, if it is indeed the same family?

I'll just post this before my computer crashes!

tbc!





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