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Herefordshire / Re: Thomas Davies 1855
« on: Wednesday 06 August 25 17:22 BST (UK)  »
Well well well, news about Matilda Mary Saunders................. my contact accepts she married A Thomas Davies, other than the evidence on Family Search and the GRO record, she cant confirm its THE Thomas Davies from her, and possibly my family.
She's going away to revisit her evidence, I've asked her to consider the Burghill/Holmer link, given the fact they are only a few miles apart.
That still leaves us with Grandad Thomas citing his fathers occupation as a farmer but if we disregard that, it hopefully leaves us with Thomas married to a Sarah Tremble and a Cecilia Wildbore/Ashton and his father being James Davies.

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Herefordshire / Re: Thomas Davies 1855
« on: Wednesday 06 August 25 12:40 BST (UK)  »
I've emailed the lady in question, she's at work at the moment but will see what she has when she gets home, she seems pretty sure of her facts though and the Family Search record probably confirms it.

I have access to her family tree on Ancestry and its pretty conclusive, she's very thorough people wise but a little light on the details, Burghill Thomas is there, married to Mary and a shed load of kids too.

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Herefordshire / Re: Thomas Davies 1855
« on: Wednesday 06 August 25 11:02 BST (UK)  »
Morning Neale1961

The GRO birth record for Thomas James Davies is correct, I have a copy of his birth certificate which lists his father Thomas's occupation as Cooper and Journeyman.

The attached marriage certificate to Sarah Tremble is also correct, although Sarah is not the mother of the above Thomas.

I believe the marriage details regarding Cecilia Wildbore/Ashton are also correct.

Apologies, I cited James Davies farmer at your reply #18, I meant Thomas Davies is listed as a farmer

I've asked the other person for proof of the Thomas Davies/ Matilida Mary Saunders marriage, not just the GRO record 6a/782.



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Herefordshire / Re: Thomas Davies 1855
« on: Tuesday 05 August 25 17:19 BST (UK)  »
Neale1961
I'll ask her if she'll share what she's got.

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Herefordshire / Re: Thomas Davies 1855
« on: Tuesday 05 August 25 13:05 BST (UK)  »
Neale1961
The relative of Burghill Thomas is actually a professional genealogist who works at the Herefordshire County Council archives so I'm pretty sure she'll be pretty sure of her facts.

In my recent search two names came up as potential mothers to Holmer Thomas, a Sophia Seymour and an Alice Atkins.
Looking back at last years posts, Ladyhawk came up with two potential mothers also, Thomas Davies, born September 1855, Hereford, MMN Brace, GRO 6a/402, also June 1856, MMN Preece, GRO 6a/431.

1930 wedding, I have the certificate, Thomas James Davis ( my grandfather) married Elsie Jane Bell on 26th December, father listed as Thomas Davis, deceased, occupation listed as farmer.
I would hazard a guess that my grandad was named after his father with a middle name after his grandfather.
Forget about the no letter ';E' in Davis, the family story is he had a falling out with his family and dropped that letter from our surname.

Also, your reply at  #8 is correct, whilst the story proved inaccurate, Thomas met Cecilia in St Helens, not the other way round, the evidence is correct.

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Herefordshire / Re: Thomas Davies 1855
« on: Tuesday 05 August 25 10:35 BST (UK)  »
CaroleW
Sarah Yardley is a new one on me.
I have the marriage certificate of Sarah Tremble, widow, to Thomas Davies, cooper not collier in 1876.
I also have the the 1881 census showing Thomas as a sheet glass maker born in Holmer and William age 9 born in Haydock.
Further research has found that Sarah Makin married a John Tremble in 1870, the son William born a year later.
John Tremble died in 1872, the 1776 marriage of Sarah to Thomas shows her surname as Tremble.
Both Emily age 4 and Sarah age 1 are listed on my 1881 census as born in St Helens.
William is also listed on this census age 9 with the surname Davies.

My grandfather, Thomas James Davis was born in Holmer in 1888, this would have been following the move from St Helens back to Herefordshire, Holmer Thomas married Cecilia Ashton/Wildbore in 1885 in Prescott so the move back to Holmer must have been after this date.
Grandad married Elsie Bell in 1930 in Salford.

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Herefordshire / Re: Thomas Davies 1855
« on: Tuesday 05 August 25 10:22 BST (UK)  »
Neale1961
I agree completely with your posts at #3 and #4 for the Thomas born in Burghill, its what I had all along till the Holmer fact raised its head and the marriage to Mary Saunders.
The occupation farmer of James Davies on my grandads wedding certificate raised questions too, however, I accept that they could be one and the same, given the short distance between villages and whilst I havent checked the census records for Burghill Thomas after 1891 I'll get in touch with the other person and ask her the question.

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Herefordshire / Re: Thomas Davies 1855
« on: Tuesday 05 August 25 10:14 BST (UK)  »
CaroleW
I believe the 1881 census is correct.
At this point in time I know nothing about Holmer Thomas, I was convinced Burghill Thomas was the right man.
I believe the 1876 marriage to Sarah is also correct, this means that at some point between his birth in 1855 and the marriage he himself moved to St Helens or James the father took the whole family.
I'm also happy that the 1891 census which has him back in Holmer with Cecilia is also correct.

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Herefordshire / Re: Thomas Davies 1855
« on: Tuesday 05 August 25 10:04 BST (UK)  »
Neale1961
Firstly, thanks for the quick response, I'll answer the questions seperately as I get to them rather than do it en block, this has proven to be a complicated search.

Yes, that is the correct previous thread in your reply #1

You are also correct, James Davies on the marriage certificate of Thomas and Sarah in 1876 is a Cooper, on my grandfathers marriage certificate, Thomas's son with Cecilia, in 1930 its listed as farmer.
I too was convinced by the Cooper link but its been pointed out to me  by another person researching the same family that the Thomas Davies born in Burghill in 1854 is NOT the same person as the Thomas Davies born in Holmer.
Another fact pointed out is by this person is that her Thomas Davies born in Burghill is married to a Mary Saunders, the Holmer Thomas was married twice, Sarah Tremble and Cecilia Ashton/Wildbore.

I believe everything after the 1876 marriage to Sarah is correct, the 1881 census has him in St Helens with his place of birth as Holmer not Burghill, the 1891 census physically has him Holmer with his new wife Cecilia and everything after that up to his death in Hereford in 1922 ties in too.

I now believe that the fact there is a Thomas and James Davies in Burghill who are both Coopers is just pure coincidence, the Mary Saunders marriage has convinced me of that.



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