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Cheshire / Re: Mary Ann Bell Nee Clutton
« on: Monday 16 March 26 17:13 GMT (UK)  »
Its a lot of help wilcoxon, no wonder I couldnt find a Clutton/ Almond marriage and I never knew the word 'Base' meant illegitimate, I thought his middle name was Case so was looking for it being a family name  ::)

If Williams parents are John Clutton and Anne Almond, my concern is Anne, I have her born in Barthomley, Cheshire in 1807, which is 20 miles from Whitchurch, and John born and died in Whitchurch, unless of course I have the wrong Anne Almond.

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Cheshire / Re: Mary Ann Bell Nee Clutton
« on: Monday 16 March 26 14:12 GMT (UK)  »
I'm in the process of reviewing past posts and a reply #71 from nickhatton in September last year has raised questions, I've messaged Nick on here and on Ancestry where he also has a tree but I thought I might start the ball rolling here too.

Both our tree's have the same people on them but different places and dates of birth, there's another person on ancestry looking at the same family whose 'finds' vary wildly from mine and Nicks, but that's another story.

As a starting point I'm looking at William Clutton, born around 1824 in either Malpas, Wolverhampton, or Whitchurch, William is married to Sarah White, born between 1818 - 1822 in either Wrenbury or Peckford in Cheshire, William and Sarah married 28 December 1846 in Malpas, that's assuming its the right couple, I do have the marriage certificate though. It names William's father as John Clutton, now both myself and the other person have a John Clutton born 1808 in Whitchurch, I have his wife as Anne Almond born 1807 in Barthomley, Cheshire, no marriage date, and the other person has him married to Elizabeth Williams born 1808 in Audlem Cheshire, married 28 August 1832 in Whitchurch, Shropshire

William and Sarah have a son, Thomas, born 1851 in Shrewsbury, Shropshire, I have him on a boat in the 1861 census as a 10 year old with his parents as born in Shrewsbury, his parents are listed as born in Cheshire, I also have him in the 1871 census as a 19 year old on a boat with others, not his parents. Thomas married Sarah Jane Minshull in 1880 in Stoke on Trent, again I have the marriage certificate, they are the parents of my great grandmother Mary Ann Clutton and Nicks relative Sarah Jane Clutton.

So, a lot to untangle and the question is............where DID the Cluttons come from??...............the other person is convinced its Malpas in Cheshire, there is a lot of info about the Cluttons from this part of the world and they have took it as gospel but has conflicting evidence, one of the Cluttons is listed as being born in Dundee!!............Personally, I'm open minded, what I do know is my Cluttons were boat people who plied there trade around the Midlands, but I'm open to persuasion about where.

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Herefordshire / Re: Thomas James Davies/Davis
« on: Tuesday 17 February 26 20:51 GMT (UK)  »
Good point Softly, I hadn't thought of that, unfortunately the answer is no, he was demobbed on 15 January 1919, the address for his pay on his discharge papers is Holmer Villa's, Hereford.

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Herefordshire / Thomas James Davies/Davis
« on: Monday 16 February 26 21:53 GMT (UK)  »
Struggling to find the 1911 and 1921 census records for my grandfather.
Born in 1888 to Thomas & Cecilia Davies in Hereford, I have his 1891 & 1901 records.
In 1911 Thomas would be 23 so maybe no longer in the family home, however, his attestation papers in 1914 give his home address as Holmer Villas, Holmer Road, Hereford, the other fly in the ointment, he's spelt his surname Davis, without the 'E'
I expected to find him in Herefordshire in 1911 and probably in Salford or Manchester in 1921, he survived WW1, along with my maternal great grandfather Joseph Bell who was in the same regiment as him, who in 1921 is listed as a labourer on Salford docks, a job Thomas also did, my grandmother is Elsie Bell, daughter of Joseph so its not a big leap in putting him in the same area in 1921, although she was only 15 in 1921, they married in 1930.

The 1911 & 1921 census in Hereford shows his parents and his brother harry, other siblings are elsewhere.

Any help in finding him on these 2 dates would be appreciated.

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Shropshire / Re: Mary Lewis Wife of Thomas Minshull
« on: Sunday 02 November 25 13:30 GMT (UK)  »
I have a similar story of another family member who worked for a similar type of family in Hereford, so much so he named his son after the master of the house and worked for the family all his life.
I can see the benefit back in the day of secure employment, probably with a low wage but accommodation provided, maybe this is the situation Thomas found in 1816 when Mary was born, so Thomas and his wife may NOT have been born locally, in which case its impossible to second guess the answer.
The other fly in the ointment is that whilst he's noted in 1816 as a huntsman for the family, in 1844 on Mary's marriage certificate his occupation is listed as a labourer.

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Shropshire / Re: Mary Lewis Wife of Thomas Minshull
« on: Saturday 01 November 25 10:25 GMT (UK)  »
Your right osprey, there's a history of boatman on both sides of the family,  and of other boatman marrying boatmen's daughters, records from 1841 onwards cover a fair amount of the north and middle of the country.
Mary Lewis was born in Wales, census records prove that, my concern is where her parents were born, did they or just Mary move to Shropshire prior to her marriage to Thomas Minshall??........ I think this is going to end up being one of those brick wall situations  ::) ::)

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Shropshire / Re: Mary Lewis Wife of Thomas Minshull
« on: Friday 31 October 25 21:37 GMT (UK)  »
Nice find osprey, confirms he was in the area for at least 2 years then as a huntsman/groom.
If I've got him on daughter Marys marriage certificate in 1844 as a labourer, that's a big change in occupation so is it the right family??.................although I'm happy that the Mary Lewis who married Thomas Minshall is the correct one.

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Shropshire / Re: Mary Lewis Wife of Thomas Minshull
« on: Friday 31 October 25 20:18 GMT (UK)  »
Your right Wilcoxon, you cant assume that either parent was from that village, especially if the father was in a transient occupation.
On Marys marriage certificate in 1844, his occupation is listed as a labourer but in either case, it doesnt help in moving the tree backwards.

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Shropshire / Re: Mary Lewis Wife of Thomas Minshull
« on: Friday 31 October 25 15:32 GMT (UK)  »
I'm pretty sure that's the one too Softly, my next problem is the parents Thomas and Mary so again, I'm pretty sure the Thomas Lewis from Dawley Magna is NOT her father.
Her marriage to Thomas Minshall is confusing though, how has she got from the backwaters of Wales, Ruthin, to the backwaters of Shropshire, St Martins............its 25 miles away.

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