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Herefordshire / Re: Harriett Gardener
« on: Wednesday 21 May 25 10:09 BST (UK)  »
CaroleW: I agree with your comments at post #2 and would question the 1801 birth for obvious reasons, although the 41/ 51/ and 61 census gives the correct age for an 1801 birth with the place of birth as Mansel Lacy, same as Uvedales
 At post #4, I have an 1871 census for James Davies, occupation Cooper, which is correct, born in the same place as his parents marriage, Hope under Dinmore, James was born in 1821 following the death of his brother of the same name in 1819.
James would have been 50 in 1871, the census shows him as 58.
His wife, Sarah Trilloe, was also born in 1821, the census shows her age as 49 which is nearer the mark.
Children listed are Thomas age 15 and Emily age 11, which tally.
Following Uvedales death in 1862, I accept Harriett could have gone to live with one of her children but it wasn't James.

Neale1961:  At post #3. I take your point, I cant find a Harriett Gardener at all born in Mansel Lacy and its too much of a stretch to assume one of the potential other 3 I have found in Hereford around that time are a good match, in fact there is no evidence available to substantiate this.
At post #5. I agree with everything you have said here, the thing that would clear it up is a baptism record for James 1821 but I cant find one either.
I think you are right, the Leominster death for James 1817 is not correct.
To further complicate matters, James son Thomas, born 1854, is my 2 times grandfather, everything tallies from the census records but I cant find a baptism record for him either although BMD throws up a couple of good GRO leads for Weobley.
 

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Herefordshire / Harriett Gardener
« on: Tuesday 20 May 25 22:14 BST (UK)  »

Struggling to find out anything about my 4 times great grandmother Harriett Gardener.
What I know.............. Harriett married Uvedale Davis/ Davies on 15th August 1814 in Hope under Dinmore, Herefordshire.
Uvedale was previously married to Ann Munn who died sometime between March 1812, which is the date of the birth of their daughter Ann, and his subsequent marriage to Harriett in 1814.
Harriett is listed on the 41/51/61 census being 40/ 50/ 60, which puts her birth around 1801 meaning she married at 13 to a guy who was 25 years older than her  :o
All 3 census records show her as being born in Mansel Lacy, Herefordshire, the search for a Harriett Gardener between the dates of 1770 and 1810 has found nothing.
Two possibilities..............Gardener was not her birth name and she was previously married, in which case I'll never find her or, she wasn't born in Mansel Lacy but somewhere else.
There are at least 3 other possibilities if the 1801 birth in Mansel Lacy is wrong.
I have been in touch with the churches at Mansell Lacy and Hope under Dinmore for parish records, both of which pointed me to the archive records office of Herefordshire County Council who have the same marriage record I have but nothing else.
So........is this the end of the road or can anyone suggest anything else??
Any suggestions would be gratefully appreciated.




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Norfolk / Re: Henry Brown of Norwich
« on: Tuesday 18 March 25 22:25 GMT (UK)  »
Elizabeth, its a possibility, I have a hint from FindMyPast which quotes a potential spouse for father Henry as Elizabeth Bexfield, I'll give it a go and see what turns up.

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Norfolk / Re: Henry Brown of Norwich
« on: Tuesday 18 March 25 10:44 GMT (UK)  »
Nice work amondg.
I'm happy that the Henry/Harry on the 1891 census is my great grandfather, all the other information, baptism, birth GRO, marriage and death GRO confirm such.
Didn't know about his dead namesake but as yet I'll revisit the 1881 census.
Harrys father Is a Henry Brown from Norwich and that's my stumbling block at the moment, a lot of Henry's and a lot of Browns in that neck of the woods, my suspicion is he's the son of a John Brown based on a 1841 census record but I've no evidence yet to prove this.

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Norfolk / Re: Henry Brown of Norwich
« on: Tuesday 18 February 25 21:48 GMT (UK)  »
Your right Cas, the bane of genealogy is how crap the census records are  ::) ::)
The ages ARE out but the census is in the right place and the 5 year gap between Henry and Emma works too, Withington isn't a big conurbation, i was born in the same hospital some of my relatives died in, so the chances of there being a similar family around there is slim at best.
Henry married Emma in 1879 when he was 26, he's down on the marriage certificate as an excavator, which is probably a posh labourer, its a fair stretch from Norfolk to Manchester but there would have been plenty of that type of work around that time, not so his father Henry who's occupation is listed as a drover, not many sheep or cows in Manchester then  ;D ;D so the search continues for the link i think.

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Norfolk / Re: Henry Brown of Norwich
« on: Tuesday 18 February 25 16:52 GMT (UK)  »
5 minutes after posting I found the marriage certificate rosie  ::) ::)
My research regarding the Browns in Norwich is proving difficult though, given Henry has at least 3 DOBs.

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Norfolk / Henry Brown of Norwich
« on: Tuesday 18 February 25 16:30 GMT (UK)  »
I have a great grandfather, Harry Brown (1884-1962) born and died in Manchester but have his father listed on his marriage certificate in 1906 to Ada Mary Ashton (1884-1949) as Henry Brown.
Henry is listed on the 1881 census as living in Manchester with his wife Emma (Malbon) and is 28 putting a potential DOB as 1853, I have the GRO marriage details as potentially 9 December 1879 in Manchester but no certificate which would give me Henrys father, and then the problems really start..............the 1891 census, again in Manchester but age 43 puts his DOB at 1848, its the same guy as Emma is shown as 23 in 1891 and 33 in 1891 in Manchester, I cant find the 1901 census but the 1911 census has Emma as a widow in Manchester age 53 so the dates tie in.
I have a GRO death record for Henry (8c/386) in 1910 age 59 giving a DOB as 1851  ::)
And then, the trail goes cold.
Any help to move this on would be gratefully appreciated.

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Tyrone / Re: Michael Ward/ Mary Ann Dougherty
« on: Tuesday 04 February 25 21:13 GMT (UK)  »
The marriage to Alice is a great find Heywood and whilst its NOT Michaels mother, it does tell us Peter was a widower, age 50, and gives us a work-back DOB of 1824 and if we are happy with his date of death as 1896 then he was 72.
Simon and Catherine as his parents are another good find too.
So, to close the loop I'm still searching for Michaels mother and his birth, dont get any easier do it and I've still not started on the Doughertys!!
Thanks for that info shanreagh, workhouse gives everyone a false impression I think.
Peters grandson, James Ward, was in a sanitarium in England for the 1921 census, which implies, well, I dont know what but in fact he contracted TB in WW1 and was in there convalescing.
Thanks for the link to Belfast workhouses Kiltaglassan, it made interesting reading.

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Tyrone / Re: Michael Ward/ Mary Ann Dougherty
« on: Tuesday 04 February 25 16:47 GMT (UK)  »
Just a thought, If Alice ward was 41 in 1890 she would have been born in 1849 so couldn't be the mother of Michael.

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