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Surrey / Re: SMITH, Percival George 1907-1979 Islington London > Chichester
« on: Friday 08 November 24 13:18 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: Ladyhawk on Sunday 13 October 24 14:12 BST (UK)
Quote from: Ladyhawk on Thursday 10 October 24 23:38 BST (UK)

If you do purchase the death certificate please comeback and let us know if he was the correct Percival  :)


I received the death cert yesterday. The place and date of birth are a match. The informant is Freda V Smith.

Thanks again to everybody who helped!

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Surrey / Re: SMITH, Percival George 1907-1979 Islington London > Chichester
« on: Monday 14 October 24 04:28 BST (UK)  »
Thanks, Ladyhawke.
I went to the library as suggested and dug into the 1939 register.

But I couldnt find the info you gave on Dorothy and Winifred. Thanks so much for figuring that out.

I ordered Percival's death cert. I'll let you know what it says.

I agree with you that the electoral register reveals a lot, including the disappearance of Percival's dad George Charles in 1925. It appears that was the year he passed.

My ggm Amy Frances Welch nee Smith was estranged from her brother George Charles at the time of his death. Only sketchy details about this line of descendants were known to me but you and the rest of the good people on this thread have effected a belated reunion of sorts. For that I am grateful.

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Surrey / Re: WELCH, Percival George 1907-1979 Islington London > Chichester
« on: Sunday 13 October 24 11:44 BST (UK)  »
Many thanks to everyone who helped out with my requests. Apologies for the confision regarding the header.

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Surrey / Re: SMITH Percival George 1907-1979 Islington London > Chichester
« on: Sunday 13 October 24 04:12 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: CaroleW on Thursday 10 October 24 12:55 BST (UK)

Buying a copy of the death cert will show who reported the death but that is not always a relative so may not help

I thought i could only get death certs up to 1958. Is there a way to order a 1979 cert?

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Surrey / Re: SMITH, Percival George 1907-1979 Islington London > Chichester
« on: Saturday 12 October 24 15:35 BST (UK)  »
Trying something else

Quote from: ela119 on Thursday 10 October 24 12:11 BST (UK)
Can anyone find an obituary or other record of Percival George Smith?  Here is what I have:

Born 3 October 1907 23 Warner St, Islington, London
Resided 1911 Lower Holloway, Islington, London with parents George and Charlotte Smith
Died June 1979 Chichester, Sussex (Vol 18 p1518)

Thanks for any help you can provide!

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Surrey / Re: SMITH, Percival George 1907-1979 Islington London > Chichester
« on: Saturday 12 October 24 15:34 BST (UK)  »
Have been trying to modify header but failed.  I'm trying something different here.  Hope this works.

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Surrey / WELCH, Percival George 1907-1979 Islington London > Chichester
« on: Thursday 10 October 24 12:11 BST (UK)  »
Can anyone find an obituary or other record of Percival George Smith?  Here is what I have:

Born 3 October 1907 23 Warner St, Islington, London
Resided 1911 Lower Holloway, Islington, London with parents George and Charlotte Smith
Died June 1979 Chichester, Sussex (Vol 18 p1518)

Thanks for any help you can provide!

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Wales / Re: Daughter of OWENS, Thomas L and JENKINS, Ann, Wales>Scranton Penn
« on: Thursday 03 October 24 04:09 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Sam Swift on Wednesday 02 October 24 22:31 BST (UK)
Don't know as yet if it is your Ann Jenkins, but there was a report in May 1 1852 The Hereford Times p.7 re the illegitimate child of an Ann Jenkins - doesn't state the sex of the child or when the child was born, but that the order was made in August 1850 (so would have been born before that).

Abergavenny
Neglecting to support an illegitimate child

David Davies was brought up and charged by Ann Jenkins with neglecting to obey and order of Justices, made upon him for the support of her illegitimate child.

The guy I mentioned with the many name variations was listed as "John Jinkins Owens" on his 1939 Pennsylvania death certificate, which said he was born to Thomas Owens and Ann Jenkins of Danville PA in 1857. Through a very complicated series of documents I won't summarize here I can say with confidence "John Jinkins Owens" is another name for David Owens listed in the 1860 US census along with his dad Thomas Sr, his mom Ann, and his sibs John, Jane and Thomas Jr. I can also say with confidence he is buried under a gravestone with the name "DJ Jenkins."

Do you think the reason David changed his name has something to do with illegitimacy?

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Wales / Re: Daughter of OWENS, Thomas L and JENKINS, Ann, Wales>Scranton Penn
« on: Thursday 03 October 24 03:46 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: ela119 on Wednesday 02 October 24 16:32 BST (UK)
In the 1953 1919 obituary for Mary Ann Owens Jervis Winifred Owens Thomas it provided details for every sib and their spouses and their kids, but John is not mentioned.

Please note the modification I made to the reference to the obituary. It was Winifred's in 1919 not Mary Ann's in 1953.

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