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Staffordshire / Re: George Smith - Hangman
« on: Wednesday 28 July 10 20:59 BST (UK)  »
Siblings for George

IGI: [P009901]
Samuel SMITH chr 28 Dec 1794 Rowley Regis - parents: Thomas SMITH & Francis.
Charles SMITH chr 9 Apr 1797 Rowley Regis - parents: Thomas SMITH & Francis
George SMITH chr 27 Apr 1806 Rowley Regis - parents Thomas SMITH and Frances

Had a look thru the RR disc don't see a Sarah or Joseph to Thomas & Francis.
Wonder if Joseph was her father?


................It is the  Census which gives clues as to his parentage.....

1841: Oakham, Rowley Regis  - 2 consecutive households :
HO107 / Piece 997 / Book: 1 /Folio: 31 / Page: 6
//
Samuel SMITH 46, Ag Lab - b Staffs
Mary SMITH 46 - b Staffs
John SMITH 19, Ag Lab - b Staffs
//

Frances SMITH 73 - Not born Staffs
/
George SMITH 30, AG Lab . b Staffs
Joseph WITHERENCE 25, Ag Lab , b Staffs
William WOODALL 25, AG Lab, b Staffs
Richard HARRIS 24, AG Lab, not born  Staffs
//

1851: Oakham, Rowley Regis has the following 2 consecutive households:
Head: Samuel SMITH 56, Labourer
Wife: Mary SMITH 55,

Head: George SMITH 46, Widower, Labourer
Servant: Mary MASON 78, Widow, Housekeeper
Inmate: John MATTHEWS 60, unm, Labourer
Inmate: Richard LEWIS 63, unm, Labourer
Inmate:Richard HARRIS 39, unm, Labourer
Inmate: William HEWIT 40, unm, Labourer
[All born Rowley]

1861 : Oakham, Rowley Regis  -  sole occupant of his household:
RG9 / Piece: 2037 /  Folio: 61 /  Page: 1
Head: George SMITH 54, unm, AG Lab, b Walsall Staffs

And enumerated immediately before him
Head: Samuel Smith 66, Ag Lab b Oakham
Wife: Mary 65 , b Oakham

1871:  Oakham, Rowley Regis  -  sole occupant of his household:
Head: George SMITH 70, unm, Public Hangman Executioner, b Walsall Staffs
 RG10 /  Piece: 2992 /  Folio: 65 /  Page: 4

No sign of Samuel &  Mary  in 1871.
Neighbours in all these Census are the same throughout.
It does seem to suggest Frances was his mother and Samuel his brother....

IGI: [P009901]
Samuel SMITH chr 28 Dec 1794 Rowley Regis - parents: Thomas SMITH & Francis.
Charles SMITH chr 9 Apr 1797 Rowley Regis - parents: Thomas SMITH & Francis
George SMITH chr 27 Apr 1806 Rowley Regis - parents Thomas SMITH and Frances

Cheers
AMBLY

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Staffordshire / Re: George Smith - Hangman
« on: Saturday 13 February 10 07:45 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Tango

To prove the theory, you would need John and Elizabeths marriage cert, that would tell you John's father, then you would know for sure, do you have any of the kids of this couple birth cert, that will tell you the mothers maiden name, from there you could order the cert.

Cheers

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Staffordshire / Re: George Smith - Hangman
« on: Wednesday 10 February 10 02:27 GMT (UK)  »
Poss your James and family

1861
Portway, Rowley
John Smith 35 - Stoneminer
Elizabeth Smith 38 - b Birmingham
Mary A Smith 14
Alfred Smith 11 - b Dudley
Warrick Smith 10 (Harriet)
James Smith 5
Emelia Smith 1
Richard Harris 44 - Boarder - Stoneminer - b Dudley
others b Rowley

1871
Portway, Rowley
John Smith 49 - Labourer in stone quarry
Elizabeth Smith 46 - b Birmingham
James Smith 15 - Labourer in stone quarry
Hanny Smith 9 (Fanny on image)
Joseph Smith 7
Richard Harris 53 - Boarder - Labourer in stone quarry - b Halesowen
other b Rowley

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Staffordshire / Re: George Smith - Hangman
« on: Wednesday 10 February 10 01:30 GMT (UK)  »
Sorry for the double post, Smith_Jones, could you please tell me what newspaper that was in, the Dudley Tattler (Brilliant name for a newspaper) is good, but is the Dudley Herald one too ??



I meant did anyone have access to the local newspaper archive, when it said burnt I immediately thought house fire, but thinking about it possibly could have been died from any old burns.. I'll see if I have order her death cert.

21 Dec 1845 - Frances Smith, Oakham, 76, Burnt.

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Staffordshire / Re: George Smith - Hangman
« on: Wednesday 10 February 10 01:27 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Tango
Possibly your James and Phoebe..

1881
9 Darbys Hill, Rowley
James Smith 24 - Stone cutter
Phoebe Smith 22 - b Oldbury
Fanny Smith 19 - Boarder
others b Rowley

Possibly Fanny is James's sister, need to find the 1871 with James.

1891
Mince?, Rowley
James Smith 35 - Labourer at colliery?
Phoeba Smith 32
Elizabeth Smith 10 - b Oldbury
Mary Smith 9
Joseph Smith 6
James Smith 2
others b Rowley

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Staffordshire / Re: George Smith - Hangman
« on: Monday 08 February 10 00:28 GMT (UK)  »
Hi All

If anyone has access to the newspapers in the area, wonder if this is the death of George's mother, age is right for the 41 post earlier.
21 Dec 1845 - Frances Smith, Oakham, 76, Burnt.

TRO19721 - Would you put up some of your Smith's, I'd like to track them back thru the census, hopeful of a connection.

Cheers

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Staffordshire / Re: George Smith - Hangman
« on: Tuesday 02 February 10 08:11 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Tango
Welcome to this amazing addicitive, rewarding and at times very frustrating all consuming and very satisifing hobby... ;D

Here's a possible.  I'm not sure how far back you have gone with the Smith's.
I see a Bertha Smith born Dec 1914 mothers surname Mullett/Mullet, there are quite a few other kids, have a look at the site freebmd, and you can piece together their son's and daug's.
You will have to get Joseph & Margaret's marriage cert, this will confirm Joseph's father, at this point we should be able to confirm the right Joseph on the census.
There's this marriage that's promising, keep in mind that you have to check and recheck any information posted.
Marriages Jun 1909   
MULLETT  MARGARET ELIZABETH Dudley  6c 99
SMITH  Joseph  Dudley  6c 99

When I search say Ancestry, I search both Staffs & Worcs, your right the borders did change between census's.

Cheers

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Staffordshire / Re: George Smith - Hangman
« on: Monday 01 February 10 07:18 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Jackie
That's a great find with the Sarah snr marriages, I agree got to be her, ties up for sure, especially living next door to daug Sarah 'Vickers'.  I'll organise myself and order the fiche see if that tells us anymore regarding her 3 marriages and hopefully her parents.  What we need is her parents to be Thomas & Francis.

I suspect in that newspaper article George was trying to visit son Enoch who had also been imprisioned in 1879 & 1887.  In 1879 Enoch served 9 calender months for Larceny and former conviction for felony, possibly the former conviction was in 1877.

George (hangman) b 1825 had a bro William he also married a Sarah Smith she died in Honolulu, her father was James Smith born abt 1806 Dudley, I haven't done much on this line, James's wife was Lucy Hollies, found them on the 41 & 51 living at Woodside.

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Staffordshire / Re: George Smith - Hangman
« on: Saturday 30 January 10 22:28 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Jackie

I wonder if the parish marriage record would tell us anything more about the couple 'Marriage George Incher +Sarah Smith St Martins Tipton 22 July 1811'.
They had 3 children that I could find.
Looks like George died 1818, wonder if Sarah remarried as she would have been abt 30ish.

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