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Devon / Re: Origin of PAWLYBY/ PALBY family of Stoke Damerel ?
« on: Tuesday 12 March 19 12:54 GMT (UK)  »
In the book "The Language, Literature and Literary characters of Cornwall" 1806 - Part 1, there is a mention of a Mr. Paulby (Thomas), as a builder

The author of these verses of which I have interlined a literal translation is a Mr Tompson a native of Truro and by profession what we call in Cornwall an engineer that is a maker of engines for the use of the mines to which trade he was bred under his father and in his youth much employed by Mr Pendarves I met him at Plymouth Dock in 1789 where he was engaged in superintending the raisers and hewers of stone under Mr Paulby.

https://books.google.com.ar/books?id=SPs4AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA43&lpg=PA43&dq=%22paulby%22+plymouth&source=bl&ots=zqJtFi_2F_&sig=ACfU3U2JZQ2Y7ssOS2AA9hqFD7OeG10Hkg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjBj9OR0fzgAhUiErkGHUIlBr0Q6AEwDHoECAIQAQ#v=onepage&q=%22paulby%22&f=false

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Devon / Re: Origin of PAWLYBY/ PALBY family of Stoke Damerel ?
« on: Monday 11 March 19 22:13 GMT (UK)  »
There is an interesting query about a possible relation between Paulby/Pawlby family of Stoke Damerel and Parlby family of Gravesend that lived at Plymouth at the same period.

Thomas Parlby was the youngest son of a John Parlby born 1727. He was a famous civil engineering contractor. He built the Plymouth dockyard. His sibling were: Mary, married with his partner, James Templer, and two oldest brothers John and William. They were cabinet makers.

Thomas died at 1802.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Parlby

John Pawlby was a builder and merchant of Stoke Damerel (1792-1834), son of another John Pawlby (1753-1832). As I mentioned before, he was a cabinet maker also, but there are some references about him as a builder and merchant. In an article of The Royal Cornwall Gazette of October 26, 1826, he is mentioned of the owner and builder of a "stadium" for a wrestling (Fotheringham´s coal yard) between the counties of Cann and Polkinghorne, with capacity for 10.000 sites. It is mentioned too as owner of a company named Taman Timber Yard .

Some lines seems to be crossing:

1. The Manadon House mentioned before, with owner Rev. John Pawlby, is mentioned in the following link with a Rev. John Parlby:

http://www.parle.co.uk/genealogy/manadon.htm

2.  In the Gentleman Magazine of 1792, there is a mention of marriage of John Alexander (Thomas Paulby´s son) with Letitia Hall. But he is named John Alexander Pawlby.

https://books.google.com.ar/books?id=L0Y3AAAAYAAJ&pg=PA1054&dq=%22paulby%22+Plymouth&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwitpIqC1vrgAhXAEbkGHeH4De4Q6AEIKjAA#v=onepage&q=%22paulby%22%20Plymouth&f=false

3. John Lee, gentleman, father in law of John Pawlby (b.1792) was appointed master measurer of the Majesty´s dock at Plymouth abt. 1800.

3. The wife of John Lee, Jane Shepheard, was probably related with the family of the High society of Plymouth, with a big manufactory abt. 1760, as it mentioned in the following book, about the commerce in old Plymouth (Burnt, 1816) . Her brother  probably was a Benajmin Shepheard Junior, gentleman, linen draper and mercer (witness in marriage records). 

https://books.google.com.ar/books?id=0SEwAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA96&lpg=PA96&dq=william+burt+review+mercantile&source=bl&ots=kQhzx6cL4M&sig=ACfU3U1sjRpM04tA2GGYpLN4E5AKXCheJw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi-1MSBjPvgAhXvEbkGHe_gC3MQ6AEwAXoECAUQAQ#v=onepage&q=william%20burt%20review%20mercantile&f=false

I believe that it is possible that John Pawlby Sr was a nephew of Thomas Parlby, and a son of his oldest brother John. Im still looking for new clues.

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Durham / Re: Ann Swallow 1853?
« on: Monday 18 February 19 21:42 GMT (UK)  »
I was reading your messages about an Ann Swallow, and I believe that we have any kind of relationship . Im am descendant of George Lawson Swallow (1783-1860) born Woodhorn, Northumberland. He was married with Sarah Richardson and lived at Brampton. A son, John Swallow, married Maria Louisa Paulby at 1846, and their daughter Sarah Elizabeth Swallow was something like my ggg-mother.  ;D

In reference about your posts, George Lawson Swallow, his father John Swallow married with Margaret Armstrong, at Tynemounth, Northumberland at 1773. A son of them was Lawson Armstrong Swallow (1812-1850) (I think at his death he was 37 years old). He was an older brother of "my John Swallow". A sister of them is Ann Swallow born 1821 and an aunt (sister of John from Tynemounth was born 1779 at Tynemounth also.

Im actually charting the tree at family search. Please send me an email if you have any additional information.
Regards,
Miguel Mintzer Elder
mikemint1@yahoo.com
Argentina

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Devon / Re: Origin of PAWLYBY/ PALBY family of Stoke Damerel ?
« on: Thursday 14 February 19 18:04 GMT (UK)  »
Another interesting reference about John Paulby, mentioned as Rev. John Paulby in the book  The Gardener´s Magazine and Register of Rural and domestic Improvement Vol 18 -Page 547 - 1842 , with a property named Monadon House, in Dovershire.


https://books.google.com.ar/books?id=dB8nAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA547&lpg=PA547&dq=%22john+paulby%22+Monadon+house&source=bl&ots=pb34mNep2-&sig=ACfU3U3Y4VHfCdM31p33b-slQR1H41olBw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiwiODv4bvgAhVcDrkGHXWXCg8Q6AEwAXoECAAQAQ#v=onepage&q=%22john%20paulby%22%20Monadon%20house&f=false


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Devon / Re: Origin of PAWLYBY/ PALBY family of Stoke Damerel ?
« on: Wednesday 13 February 19 19:52 GMT (UK)  »
Maria Louisa PAWLBY was the daughter of John & Elizabeth and was baptised at Morice Street Wesleyan, Devonport 5 Aug 1822 (born 10th April 1822). Father described as a carpenter. Cornelius Lee and sister Catherine Lee PAWLBY were both baptised at Stoke Damerel 9th Aug 1829, parents John (a builder) and Elizabeth.

Thank you! I believe he was a cabinet maker, but there are some references on the net about his profession as mechant:

https://books.google.com.ar/books?id=WfQuAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA414&lpg=PA414&dq=john+pawlby+stoke+damerel&source=bl&ots=GZy2NEeiMt&sig=ACfU3U0ijTC58COaoynAQIaeBHLrhMKGyQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjtluTzvLngAhW5FLkGHc83B40Q6AEwAXoECAgQAQ#v=onepage&q=john%20pawlby&f=false

https://books.google.com.ar/books?id=XzFKAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA1725&lpg=PA1725&dq=john+pawlby+stoke+damerel&source=bl&ots=XerFA-yT2y&sig=ACfU3U1ae2KuBgIK0dmZTmeB0y1CozmZ6w&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjtluTzvLngAhW5FLkGHc83B40Q6AEwCnoECAQQAQ#v=onepage&q=john%20pawlby%20stoke%20damerel&f=false


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Devon / Re: Origin of PAWLYBY/ PALBY family of Stoke Damerel ?
« on: Wednesday 13 February 19 18:51 GMT (UK)  »
Hi

Im actually researching about the Paulby/ Pawlby  family. Iam descendant of Maria Louisa Paulby, who was married with John Swallow, with daugther Sarah Elizabeth Swallow.

Maria Luoisa Paulby, born in Devonport abt 1822, was, in my opinion, probably sister of Cornelius Lee Paulby. A daughter of John Swanson and Maria Louisa was named John Lee Swallow.

John Paulby 1792-1834 was a merchant, married with Elizabeth Lee, with probable issue:

John Lee Paulby b. 1816
George Augustus Paulby b 1818
Elizabeth Paulby b 1822
Maria Louisa Paulby b 1823
William Henry Paulby b 1827
Cornelius Lee Paulby b 1830
Kate L Paulby b 1830  1831
Emma Julia Paulby b 1832

There is a record of a Cornelius Lee Pawlby married in 1885 at Islington, where Swallow family lived. This Cornelius was probably a son of Cornelius born at 1830.

A complete genealogical tree at Family search.

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Devon / Re: Origin of PAWLYBY/ PALBY family of Stoke Damerel ?
« on: Wednesday 13 February 19 18:49 GMT (UK)  »
Hi

Im actually researching about the Paulby/ Pawlby  family. Iam descendant of Maria Louisa Paulby, who was married with John Swallow, with daugther Sarah Elizabeth Swallow.

Maria Luoisa Paulby, born in Devonport abt 1822, was, in my opinion, probably sister of Cornelius Lee Paulby. A daughter of John Swanson and Maria Louisa was named John Lee Swallow.

John Paulby 1792-1834 was a merchant, married with Elizabeth Lee, with probable issue:

John Lee Paulby b. 1816
George Augustus Paulby b 1818
Elizabeth Paulby b 1822
Maria Louisa Paulby b 1823
William Henry Paulby b 1827
Cornelius Lee Paulby b 1830
Kate L Paulby b 1830  1831
Emma Julia Paulby b 1832

There is a record of a Cornelius Lee Pawlby married in 1885 at Islington, where Swallow family lived. This Cornelius was probably a son of Cornelius born at 1830.


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Devon / Re: CARTER Donald Maynard, artist, Babbacombe
« on: Wednesday 06 February 19 18:54 GMT (UK)  »
Has anyone any knowledge of the artwork, or the family, of Donald Maynard CARTER (1899-1976) who relocated from London to Torquay in 1962-64 when he and his wife, Phyllis Edith fmly ELDER were resident in Clovercombe, Higher Downs Road, Babbacombe.  In 1976 they moved to a Rest Home at Rozel, Torquay.


Hello. Im looking for my ancestors on Elder family, I believe that Phyllis Edith Elder was a daughter of Alexander Henry Elder, and Catherine Arnold and G- daughter of Rev George Elder of Greenwich. Could you check these data? Thanks in advance.

Any descendants?

Im descendant of a brother of Alexander H.

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