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Cheers, Hoddie.

In conclusion - both certificates have made up father's. Although there maybe some truth about the circus groom as a mengerie was in the City over Xmas 1890.

Maria was born 1871 Births Dec 1871   Sago  Maria    Poplar  1c 672
 - she died 01/04/1949 - local newspaper tributes in 1949 & 1950 lists Amelia as daughter to Maria Randall.

If Amelia wasn't daughter of Maria, Amelia obviously thought she was!

I will send you a private message - re hodnetts.

GJB

Hi,

James and Phoebe were married quite late in their lives, is it possible that James was married to another Phoebe and this being his second marriage? Could it have been that Phoebe Germany was also married before to James Knobbs?

I dont know if this is much help but it looks as if two nephews in her household in 1851 census (Sweatman's), William Swetman looks as if he was bapt. 31 JAN 1813 Saint Michael Coslany.  This may help you find a link, if they are related to Phoebe through a sister??,  someone appears to have him as William Sweatman on GenesReunited.  Although they may be related to the Knobbs.

regards

GJB

Dukes Palace was a public house with Duke's Palace Yard - they were at beginning of Duke Street.  they were demolished in the 1960's to make way for a multi-storey car park which was re-built a few years ago.

Earlier pictures on:

http://norlink.norfolk.gov.uk/02_Catalogue/02_001_Search.aspx?searchType=97

or

http://www.the-plunketts.freeserve.co.uk/index.htm

Shows that the Duke of Norfolk lived or had a pad, somewhere on Duke Street. I'm not sure if they were both in exactly the same location.

Hi Bob

I had thought of the similarity between Brandfield and Brownfield,  if said in an irish or even Norfolk accent it could have easily been misheard.

/ symbol was more was more like a small L  - 300 (l) (can't / don't know how to change font on rootschat) and was different to shillings which was 40 s which was on his sentence.

Not many Brandfields or Brownfields in Norfolk by 1841 census. I think one John Hayden Brownfield was a surgeon and had a memorial in St Saviors church which was incidentially on Magdalen Street but unsure if linked as different trades.

http://www.norwichchurches.co.uk/St%20Saviors/monuments.html

So did Daniel start a new family down under!

Graham

Sorry that previous posting was no good! but try this. You'll have to bear with me as copy of film is poor.

Taken from Norwich Chronicle - Sat 25 Aug 1821

Daniel Irwin aged 21 was charged with breaking and entering a warehouse belonging to John Brownfield of the City of Norwich, in the night of 31st May last, or early the following morning and stealing thereout bombazine and silk to the value of 300/ and upwards.   It appeared from the evidence that the prisoner was a discharged servant of the prosecutor's and an Irishman, and well acquainted with every part of the prosecutor's premises. On the evening of the 21st May last, the prosecutor being from home, his son Jas Brownfield closed the warehouse, and locked them up in the usual manner.    The next morning he was alarmed early by a gardener residing in premises adjoining those of the prosecutor, who informed him that from traces of feet in his garden and other appearances he suspected some one had been over his wall to rob the warehouse of the prosecutor.   Mr Jas Brownfield immediately unlocked the warehouse, and on going into the back room found it had been entered by the window, and the following articles, amongst others stolen from the room over  ___ is one piece of black bombazine numbered 13194 and half a bale of raw silk and part of another half bale of silk weighing about 170lbs and worth upwards of 300/.     It appeared also on further inspection, that the lock of a desk in the room had been broken open as well as internal locks - Hand-bills offering a large reward for the apprehension of the parties were issued and every other method used to succeed in detecting the robbery,  but without effect; however, after a lapse of some time, suspicion fell upon the prisoner, he abruptly left Norwich with his family and the mode in which the robbery was effected indicating that it must have been done by some one intimately acquainted with the premises - The prosecutor succeeded in tracing the prisoner to Cambridge, where he was apprehended and at his lodging were found the remains of the piece of bombazine lost with the number partially picked out and also a great part of silk - The prisoner on being charged with the robbery before Mr Purchase, a magistrate of Cambridge, made a confession which was produced and read in Court it stated that three other persons John Parish, Wm Brown and Thos Baty were engaged with him in committing the robbery in consequence of which confession, Baty, Parish and Brown were apprehended and upon examination Parish was fully committed for trail, and Baty and Brown were remanded for further examination; but upon a rehearing of the business at the Hall, the prisoner contradicted his first statement and confessed that he and his wife were the only person concerned in the robbery, in consequence of which the other three were discharged.    The bombazine was produced and fully identified by Thos Parker clerk of the prosecutor - Guilty of stealing to the value of 40s - Death.
 
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300/ I assume is £300 I have never symbol ( / (looks like an l = itallics))

This must have been changed to deportation.

Regards

GJB