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Mayo / Re: Major Denis Bingham's son William birth information
« on: Sunday 10 October 21 05:37 BST (UK)  »
Hi

I have confirmed that Bridget and Katherine Geraghty's mother was Ellen Tollett.

Ellen's father was Lord William Tollett, Earl of Mayo. Ellen's brother (and Bridget and Catherine's Uncle) was Lord Frances Tollett. Their cousin John Tollett esq of Belmullet. Nothing is known of their father (Geraghty) Ellen's husband, at least not in my family.

anyone know anything about the Tolletts?


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Mayo / Re: Major Denis Bingham's son William birth information
« on: Friday 29 January 21 09:25 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Heyward, my mistake, you are correct.

Leitrim Village is about an hour away from Newbrook where Major Denis Bingham and my ancester Edward were before going up to Belmullet.

You are also correct about the difficulty researching this area and era.
Im lucky that folks wrote things down...
Thanks for your help.

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Mayo / Re: Major Denis Bingham's son William birth information
« on: Friday 29 January 21 06:35 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Amac1210

Just had a look at the Denis Kelly line...these ones are protestant. The ancestors were all fiercely Catholic. Of my eight Great Aunts descended from Edward and Bridget six became nuns...in Sydney.

I also have a Barret ancestor Julia Barret m Michael Monaghan, the mother of Mary Monaghan who was the mother of all the nun Aunts..I dont know anything about the Barrets..More Research!!!

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Mayo / Re: Major Denis Bingham's son William birth information
« on: Friday 29 January 21 05:34 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Bob from Queensland and also amac1210.

Bob.
Bridget Geraghty was born in Leitrim Village County Mayo. Perhaps Kitty was born here also.
There appears to be some family connection with the Tollett Family, who originally came up with Sir Arthur Shaen in the early 1700's. Rev John Tollett, as part of the protestant settlement was given lands in perpetuity.

Some family history (I am following this up) says that Bridget and Katherine were nieces of the Viscount of Mayo, Lord Francis Tollett of Moyrahan, and cousins of Lord William Tollett of Mayo 1780-1849.

Perhaps these girls were not Catholic at all, and perhaps not as peasanty as I thought. This info comes from a newly discovered relative in New Zealand so I have to chase all this up.

The marriage of the Major and Kitty makes more sense to me now. I dont think she was his cook.

Hi Amac1210

My ancestor Edward Kelly born 1750 probably around Castlebar or perhaps Ballina did have some brothers but I dont know who they are because I dont know who Edward's parents are yet.

Edward and Bridget Geraghty had 3 sons and one daughter, Thomas, Henry, Edward and Barbara.

This son, Edward, had 9 kids 6 of whom went to America and were never heard of again. Three sons remained.

 Son Henry 1820 to 1900 had two sons and three daughters...Maybe your John is one of these ones? I dont know their names or the name of his wife...

His brother Martin went to the Indian Army and had no issue, his youngest brother Edward is the father of Henry Edward my GG Grandfather.

There have been no descendants of Edward Kelly and Bridget Geragthy in Belmullet since about 1880..all migrated to Australia and New Zealand.

There is only one called John in all this mob, that his John Henry Kelly my grandfather born Hornsby 1895. Everyone else seems to be called Henry or Edward or Edward Henry or Michael!











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Mayo / Re: Major Denis Bingham's son William birth information
« on: Saturday 23 January 21 23:10 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Bob

I got Kitty's Birthdate, 1760, from Ancestry..but my record has it as 1768 with Bingham born 1765.

My Documents say that Bingham and Edward Kelly were about the same age, but this cannot be so...my document states that Kelly was born around 1745/50 which makes sense given the age of his children.

Like everything else in this crooked tale its hard to know anything for sure..

Given that Bingham's father died in 1789 and the Major inherited the estates it makes sense that the two moved from South Mayo to the West in around 1790..but may well have been doing stuff there before that.

Its possible that Edward Kelly worked for Bingham's father I suppose, as he appears to be trusted to manage things. They must have traveled around a fair bit as the distances between South and West Mayo were not huge...Castlebar may also be a relevant place to search for the sisters..although Kitty may well have been airbrushed out of the Bingham history I suspect.

Major Denis was an enterprising chap and attempted to set up  a business in herring fishing, he built a large factory and store and brought over Coopers from Aberdeen including Alexander McCoy.
McCoy had six sons and one daughter, Mary, who married Edward Kelly's 3rd son, another Edward Kelly, and is a great great etc somebody to me.

Apparently the Herring business never really got off the ground..

Here is what my Great great Grandfather Henry Edward wrote about Bingham Castle in 1937...

" The Cosgrove government of the Irish Free State resumed the whole of the Bingham Estate, demolished the magnificent  Bingham Castle, cut up the estate into suitable areas for small farmers  and transferred into their..(its blank here)..the hardy islanders of Inishkea."

Mind you this old fellow was long gone from Belmullet by 1922 having emigrated in 1876 to Sydney. Most of his family including his aging parents and his brothers followed him out here. The old boy never stopped longing for Erris and Elly Bay and continued to write for the Irish times until 1937 when he died. At that time old Henry Edward said there were no Kellys and no Binghams left in Belmullet...but we know thats not quite true.

Please let me know if you find anything on Kitty!







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Mayo / Re: Major Denis Bingham's son William birth information
« on: Saturday 23 January 21 04:30 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Bob from Queensland. Im wondering if Kitty and Major Denis were actually even married..given he was a Protestant from the ascendant family, and Kitty the daughter of a Catholic peasant. Im also wondering if the sisters were actually from Newbrook.

Edward Kelly married Bridget Geraghty in 1775, she was born in 1757. Kitty in 1860.

Bridget had her first child in 1776..where as Kitty was much older when she had her children.
William not born until 1794.

Edward was working for Major Denis as his manager before they moved to Erris, and thats why I think the girls were born at Newbrook. What do you think?





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Mayo / Re: Major Denis Bingham's son William birth information
« on: Wednesday 20 January 21 04:29 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Bob

Its been a few years since we chatted, I forgot about all this for a bit but it all came up again today with verification from Ancestry.com that Katherine Geraghty was the wife of Major Denis Bingham..but you probably know that already..William does also appear as one of the children born in 1794...Katherine was my ancestor's sister in law, but they were poor Catholics so I can't find any further info about them..Did you go to Belmullet? the thread has gotten very interesting.
Cheers

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Mayo / Re: Major Denis Bingham's son William birth information
« on: Friday 02 August 19 00:50 BST (UK)  »
Hi Bob

Katherine was from the area I believe. My Ancestor married Katherine's sister Bridget. Unfortunately I believe the church burned down with all the records so dates are a bit hard to confirm. Katherine was very young maybe around 18 when they met...strange there were only two children William and Anne. I believe William was granted some of the Estate...

There are Geraghtys still around Bellmullet I think. I would like to now more about the sisters as well and have seen some info on the families on other sites...but nothing concrete. There have been may "Kittys" My ancestor Edward Kelly and Bridget had a few children...unlike the Geraghtys, the Kellys were not from that area as Edward travelled up with major Denis. I am not related to the other Kellys you mentioned. Cheers.

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Mayo / Re: Major Denis Bingham's son William birth information
« on: Wednesday 31 July 19 12:02 BST (UK)  »
Williams mother was Katherine Geraghty, William was born before Denis and Katherine were married so could not inherit. There were problems because Katherine was Catholic..Denis a Protestant. I have just come across some more of my own family history from this time. William was not recognised despite the fact that Katherine and Denis later married and had Anne. Often there is no mention of William at all...a bit sad really.

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