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Waterford / Re: Dungarvan
« on: Sunday 12 October 25 06:30 BST (UK)  »
Just an additional thought re the legal side of the lease if inherited by a woman.  Did this automatically pass onto her husband during this time period or did she retain it by right?
Chris

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Waterford / Re: Dungarvan
« on: Sunday 12 October 25 06:22 BST (UK)  »
Hi everyone
Firstly my apologies for the delay in replying to yesterday's comments re my query.  I have gone back further in the Memorial Deeds and located one dated 1710 (deed 10026) which features Robert Carew, the younger leasing land in Key Lane, Dungarvan to William Clarke, innkeeper, to be held for the natural lives of William and his heirs & assigns (William Jnr, George & Esther).  I have located a reference to William Clarke Jnr of Mitchelstown, Cork in 1731 being a share holder of the Dungarvan ferry which would most likely indicate that the parent who held the ferry lease was deceased by then.

Whilst Carew may have owned the land the inn was located on, it does not look as though he held the Ferry lease, as this would have been awarded to James Roche by William of Orange after the Siege of Derry in 1689.   There is evidence to support Peregrine Butler (mother in law confirmed as Mary Roche, dau of James Roche) being involved with the ferry lease as well.  A deed dated 1725 (deed 31312) mentions Peregrine Butler, Esther Boate (alias Clarke), William Clarke et al.  In light of the 1710 lease, I now believe that Esther Boate was Esther Clarke, dau of William Clarke Snr & Esther ? and not mother Esther.

Unfortunately, based on 2 accepted marriages for James Roche (ie Elizabeth Gough & Elizabeth Hammerton) I cannot reasonably fit Esther into the time line.  However, I have located a memorial epitaph referring to James' first wife as Susan.  Would this indicate that James had 3 wives?  If James married prior to Elizabeth Gough then it is possible that Esther fits into this earlier family line.  James died in Dec 1722 at Dungarvan. 

I honestly cannot think of any other connection between the Ferry Lease, the Clarke family & Peregrine Butler except through the Roche family.  And it certainly makes sense that an innkeeper would want to tap into the crowds using the ferry, so merging the 1710 lease with a ferry licensee (even if partial) would make perfect sense. 

Regards
Chris

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Waterford / Re: Dungarvan Ferry Leases & Roche family
« on: Saturday 11 October 25 01:53 BST (UK)  »
Hi
I am also very interested in the ferry leases for Dungarvan, Waterford.  Particularly interested in who Esther (wife of William Clarke) was.  Suspect she was a Roche, perhaps an unrecorded daughter of James "the Swimmer" & first wife Susan Gough.   Esther appears to have inherited or exercised rights to operate the ferry, possibly through patent or leasehold stemming from James Roche’s royal grant (Mem Deed 31312 dated Aug 1725).  Also mentioned in same Deed is Peregrine Butler, sp. Elizabeth Greene, dau of Benjamin Greene & Mary Roche (confirmed dau of James the Swimmer). 

Based on the above, would it be likely that Esther was a Roche descendant?

Chris
NSW



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Kerry / Re: Townland Cooranassig (sic), Kilgarvan
« on: Sunday 15 June 25 02:17 BST (UK)  »
Hi Hanes & Kiltaglassan
Good morning from a cold, wet southern NSW. 
The map site was excellent, thank you both.  It always amazes me that there is more than one way to solve a problem.  I didn't think of old maps but was pretty sure someone on RootsChat could help me.  I was able to drill down sufficiently to confirm that Slaght and Cooranassig were basically in the same location. 
Hanes - this is still in relation to my NZ research.  My husband is descended from 2 separate NZ Sullivan lines - the maternal line from Londonderry which you (and many others) helped me with late last year/earlier this year and the paternal line which is from Kilgarvan.  Just when I am sure this particular line were Downey Sullivans, along comes a Cooper Sullivan to upset things.  In this instance, I wasn't sure if I was looking at 2 separate Sullivan lines (one from Slaght and one from Cooranassig).  Catherine was from Cooranassig when she married but had connections to Mary from Slaght (Catherine's husband was a bpt sponsor to one of Mary's Palmer children).  I have now located early baptisms for Mary & Catherine from the same parents, both from Slaght. 
Once again, my sincere thanks to everyone for taking the time to help me.
Chris
RootsChat Researchers Rule

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Kerry / Re: Townland Cooranassig (sic), Kilgarvan
« on: Saturday 14 June 25 09:32 BST (UK)  »
Hi Gaffy
Yes they are the couple I am tracking.  A Catherine Sullivan who was from Cooranassig when she married is of particular interest and I needed to know if I was looking at two separate Sullivan lines, one from Slaghts and one from Cooranassig or whether Mary Sullivan born Slaghts was a sister of Catherine’s.  As it ow turns out they were sisters.  And yes, Slaghts and Cooranassig seem mutually inclusive.
Thanks for your help
Chris

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Kerry / Re: Townland Cooranassig (sic), Kilgarvan
« on: Saturday 14 June 25 08:49 BST (UK)  »
Hi G
Most appreciative of all the help I have received.  At some point between 1826 and 1847 Cooranassig dropped off the radar, no doubt absorbed into another townland, possibly Ardtully.   May have been considered too small as a stand alone.  Thank you for your help.
Regards
Chris

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Kerry / Re: Townland Cooranassig (sic), Kilgarvan
« on: Saturday 14 June 25 07:33 BST (UK)  »
Hi again Hanes
You are always so very helpful - my sincere thank you for the newspaper article.   This townland isn't mentioned in the 1847 Griffiths Valuations so I can only assume that it was absorbed into another townland, Fussa perhaps?
Separate question, can you tell me the web address for the newspaper article?  I need to do some searches in relation to other Kilgarvan folk. 
You were an amazing help with my NZ research earlier this year.
Many thanks
Chris

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Kerry / Townland Cooranassig (sic), Kilgarvan
« on: Saturday 14 June 25 06:28 BST (UK)  »
Hi listers
I have come across some Palmer baptisms listing Cooranassig (sic), Kilgarvan, Kerry as the PoB in the late 1840's to early 1850's.   I cannot locate this townland on https://www.townlands.ie/.  The family seem to have links to Slaghts which was another Kilgarvan townland.  I was wondering if it was a subtownland of Slaghts. 

Curanassig was recognised as a location on the 1826 Tithe Applotments.

Can anyone help me here?
Regards
Chris

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London and Middlesex / Re: Coles Regiment of Foot Guard
« on: Sunday 16 February 25 02:12 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Hanes
Very useful information in your last post.  I will definitely follow this up.
Many thanks
Chris

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