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I changed it because you may have thought it was offensive and again I am sure people reading this will know that Ireland was a part of the UK.

However when it comes to tracing ancestors it makes little difference, given that records were destroyed in the uprising, which occurred after the original earlier destruction of records by the English. In other words they would still have been destroyed regardless.

Whenever you look at the past, land borders should be ignored anyhow, given that people tended to move around even as they do now, not caring about borders. However sea boundaries are the only borders that did matter, as they presented a different factor.

As far as the question regarding the Romany Gypsies being in Ireland during the 1800's, that didn't happen because why would Romany gypsies go to a country that was in the grips of starvation for many years with the resultant exodus of 40% of its population fleeing to England and the northern American continent, for a better life.

My grandmother Ivy Edith Dalton (born Crayford Kent; 1904 - 1988) always maintained that she was related to Romany gypsies including "Gypsy Rose Lea".  She had visions and premonitions as did my mother and me and my sisters.  Her mother was Louisa Crockford  and her grandmother was called Ellen Donavin (1846 - 1917).  I wondered if Ellen might be Irish and a Romany?

Possible, but Romany gypsies didn't start going to Ireland until the early 1900's. However, as a lot of Irish both Settled and Pavee came to the UK for work in the industrial revolution, as evidenced from my own research, then its possible that the Romany side with the Irish name began in England.
 

HI been a Christmas break, but back with more.

great great Grandad was called Patrick Ward and his wife was Alice Rooney. Family rumour was he was King of the Irish Tinkers. We traced there eldest 2 children to Drogheda (1842 & 1844), but at that point the trail goes cold. The only 2 Alice Rooney's from that area are one baptised in Dublin  and the other was  Dunshaughlin. However just because the children were baptised in Drogheda, doesn't mean they were from that area, but it is where the trail grows cold.

Joseph Frederick Ward born circa 1852 and Mary Elizabeth n'ee Oates
Migrated to England. circa 1885
The Oldest child was born at Ulverstone in 1885, so I am presuming they landed their from Ireland at around that time as the rest of the children were born in Kendal, then Barnsley.
I did find a reference to Queenstown(Cobh) as a port with ships going to Ulverstone

Strange what you find from census though, it would appear that they had wrote down he was from York, probably because they couldn't tell he was saying Cork because of the thick Irish accent, so attributed it to what they thought it was.