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I have fired off an Ask an Archivist request quoting those three links (admissions, medical and superintendent) and attaching the Parramatta Asylum report I had. They say up to 20 working days, but I've always found that's a conservative estimate.

Once I have confirmation they have the material, with page numbers hopefully, I can take the next step of engaging a researcher. The Archives lists several organisations which have paid researchers --  has anyone found someone who is particularly useful?

We used to be lucky enough to have a Rootschatter who would photograph probates and divorces from there for us, but she has moved away from Sydney. We miss you, Ros!   

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That’s a very extensive reply thanks cupoflife, and much appreciated. As I live in Queensland, I will try to find an “Ask an Archivist” or similar to see if they have private researchers who will find and copy a document for a fee, since it will not have been digitised.

Geoff

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She probably came from here:

The Darlinghurst Asylum, officially known as the Lunatic Reception House, operated from 1868 to 1961 in Sydney and served as the primary entry point for those needing psychiatric assessment in metropolitan New South Wales. Built to separate the mentally ill from the criminal justice system, people were sent there from courts for observation before being transferred to other hospitals if they were found to be unwell. After its closure, the facility was transferred to St. Vincent's Hospital in 1961 and became their mental health care unit. 

Would there be a way to access those documents?

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Australia / Elizabeth Dowle (Dowse), arr Parramatta Asylum from Darlinghurst Dec 1769
« on: Wednesday 29 October 25 06:47 GMT (UK)  »
Hi all,

I believe this woman was my 4 x great grandmother, who was born in 1781 in Newcastle upon Tyne, married there to John Simmons/Symonds in 1798, had five children with John before being transported to Port Jackson, arriving in 1814. She was assigned to convict Isaac Dowse/Douse upon arrival, helping to raise the children of his late wife. Elizabeth and Isaac had another four children, although I can find no evidence that they married.

Isaac died in 1853, when Elizabeth was 72 years old. Her life after that has been a mystery.

However I believe she died in 1869 as Elizabeth Dowle (an easy jump from Dowse to Dowle) and is buried at the All Saints cemetery in Parramatta, where her name is one of many on the memorial plaques. This also accords with the death certificate.

Parramatta Asylum records show that she arrived "from Darlinghurst" on 21 Dec 1869 and died on 31 Dec 1869.     

Am I right in thinking she would have come from Darlinghurst Gaol? Is there any way I can get access to the Darlinghurst records? She was obviously in a bad way by the time she got to Parramatta, I'd just like to get a feeling as to why she had come to the attention of authorities in the first place.

Thanks for any suggestions.

Geoff Turner,
Brisbane. 

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I initially thought this NZ document

https://www.ancestry.com.au/imageviewer/collections/6194/images/42014_b0154307-00489?pId=16542

might have indicated Garlick had been discharged on the rape charge, but the discharge relates to Aug 1870, before the rape charge in Dec 1870.

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And the NSW Government Gazette of 20 Apr 1888 notes that Thomas Wilson Garlick has been appointed magistrate at "Clifton, near Wollongong". 

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My cousin, who is the daughter of Ivy Esther Wilson -- the daughter of Sidney Wilson and Ethel May Clark, tells me:
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I connected Sidney to Thomas Wilson Garlick through my DNA match to Diane Garlick who turned up as an extended family match of 135cM, half 2nd cousin. I contacted Diane and we were both mystified as to how we were connected.
I started looking into Thomas Wilson Garlick, Diane’s 2 x G Grandfather, he lived in Wollongong/ Clifton at the time & place where Sidney says that he was born. Thomas’s marriage had broken down by the mid 1870s, according to court information from Trove. From what we can gather Thomas was a bit of a rogue and have obtained a lot of information on him, and I believe Sidney was similar to Thomas.
After Sidney served in WWI he left the family, and not much is known of him. We think we have his correct death certificate.
After I put Thomas Wilson Garlick in my (Ancestry) tree, I have DNA matched with his family in particular through his maternal line. I don’t seem to have any connection to Thomas’s wife, Mary Collaery.
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So as David Nicoll suggested, DNA is the key to establishing who was the father of Sidney Wilson -- Thomas Wilson Garlick. We just need to find the mother (who Sidney said was Louisa), and a birth registration for Sidney. So I will keep at it.

Geoff

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He might have been trying to cover up the implications of him having the same surname as her. I'm starting to get the sense that Sidney might not be the most reliable of sources.

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Which child's baptism was it where he was a milk vendor, Sue? I have

Thomas Wilson
1907–1907
Ivy Esther Wilson
1908–1970
Myra (Lillian) Wilson
1911–1988
Edna Phyllis Wilson
1913–1995

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