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Australia Resources & Offers / Re: John Piper Sydney 1846-1856
« on: Sunday 08 September 24 18:16 BST (UK)  »
Hi maddys52

I have signed back up to Ancestry, could you point me in the direction of the Gaol records please. I am really out of practise and Ancestry has changed a lot in the time I have been absent from the hobby/obsession  :)

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Australia Resources & Offers / Re: John Piper Sydney 1846-1856
« on: Saturday 07 September 24 14:44 BST (UK)  »
Thank you maddys52,

I really now have lots to do to follow up on John's life in Australia. He is an offshoot of my main line but he has led such a fascinating life that I can't help but want to find everything I can about him and his life. he ended up serving 11 years for a 7 year sentence in Tasmania because of various things he was caught doing, up to and including stealing bagatelle balls from a pub! :)

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Australia Resources & Offers / Re: John Piper Sydney 1846-1856
« on: Saturday 07 September 24 10:46 BST (UK)  »
Thanks,

Looks like I will have to restart my Ancestry subscription to further explore John's life. He was first found guilty of Riot and Affray when he was 23 in Essex, UK and just carried on with fresh charges in Tasmania and now Sydney. A bit of a character :)

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Australia Resources & Offers / Re: John Piper Sydney 1846-1856
« on: Saturday 07 September 24 09:13 BST (UK)  »
Hi Dundee,

That is brilliant, our John arrived in Tasmania on the Mangles in 1835 so we definitely have the right man involved in the altercation. Is there any way a UK based person could get a copy of those Gaol records? I am one of those hobbyists that like to have everything provable in my tree. I have come back after a 15 year hiatus from the hobby (Father passed and we worked together on it so it lost it's mojo but I am already hooked again. ) so am unaware of what is available and have yet to re-join any subscription based services.

The Discharge in June was a great spot I had not found that information for a resolution to what happened, all I had found looked as if he would be locked up for years :)

Sincere thanks, 15 years ago I had John disappearing into Tasmania in 1846 never to be seen again and with your help we now have an end to his story. Of course I will have to try and find out if he ever, married, had children etc but that is the fun isn't it, there are always more questions than answers :)

 

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Australia Resources & Offers / John Piper Sydney 1846-1856
« on: Friday 06 September 24 19:36 BST (UK)  »
Hi,

Wonder if anyone can help I have a John Piper of Toppesfield, Essex, England, given his Certificate of Freedom in Tasmania in 1846 and apparently moving to Sydney NSW the same year. I have an obituary dated 18th June 1856 from the Sydney Morning Herald from the following day 19/6/1856, so he spent ten years in Sydney. There is a John Piper involved in the Patrick Spurgeon murder of 1953 and that is in character (unfortunately) for John Piper, so can anyone help decide whether the John Pipers are one and the same and if so how did someone convicted apparently of Murder can die three years later at his residence in Pitt Street.

Thanks in Advance 

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Armed Forces / Mystery Rifleman 11th London Regiment Pre 1909
« on: Friday 01 January 16 18:04 GMT (UK)  »
Hi, I have been away from my search for a few years (approx 5). My Father passed away and the joy went out of the hobby for a while but now I am ready to start the never-ending quest again  :)

On the 2nd of February 1909 Alfred Piper joined the 11th London Rifles and was introduced by a Rifleman Piper 225 and I am trying to find out who he is. My earliest Military record is this one and his brother joined the same regiment in 1914 so it wasn't him. His father was dead so I would really like to know who RFM Piper was as it will help me with finding out who he knew on the Piper side as his father died when he was only 4.

Could anyone help me with my search? has there been any military releases in the past 5 years that may help? Popular Piper names at that time in the family were John, James, Alfred, Arthur if that helps

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Australia / Re: Help Needed John Piper Tasmania and Sydney Transportee 1835-1856 Completed
« on: Saturday 26 October 13 12:54 BST (UK)  »
Completed

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Australia / Re: Help Needed John Piper Tasmania and Sydney Transportee 1835-1856
« on: Saturday 05 October 13 20:45 BST (UK)  »
I will arrange a transcription though I will be surprised if it answers any more questions as I know that there were no other John Piper's from Toppesfield in the Southern Hemisphere at the time so it will just cross the t's  and dot the i's  :).

A big thank you to everyone so far I am really hoping that there is more to find as because John was such a reprobate he is becoming one of my most documented non ancestors (he is a first cousin, four times removed) and it would be brilliant to find out more about his life and if he had a family in Tasmania or Australia.

All The Best

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Australia / Re: Help Needed John Piper Tasmania and Sydney Transportee 1835-1856
« on: Friday 04 October 13 18:17 BST (UK)  »
That is absolutelly brilliant Merlin,

Two years hard labour for stealing Bagatelle balls  ???
The mind boggles as to why he would steal them, over and above him being drunk which is what got him into trouble in the first place.

This is a transcription of an Essex newspaper describing Johns offence that got him transported
25 11 1834


John Piper, 24, & James Allen, 33, Labourers, were convicted of stealing six shillings in silver and 5 ½ d, in copper, the property of William Argent, of Toppesfield. Prosecutor, who is very old and deaf, stated that on the 1st of November he was in bed and asleep at a lodging-house, kept by John Prior; he was awoke by his clothes being pulled away from under the pillow and saw the prisoners taking them away; he asked what business they had with his clothes, when they replied that if he accused them of taking his clothes and stealing his money, they would pull him out of bed and throw him down stairs; this passed before he accused them of stealing his money; the prisoners then left him; he had 6s 5 ½ d in his pockets, which on examination he found was gone. John Prior, in whose house prosecutor slept, said the prisoners had been drinking with him on the evening in question and they afterwards went up stairs into the prosecutor’s room; after remaining there some time, he heard Argent say that he had lost his money; both prisoners then came down, and Piper stripping himself declared that he had not got the money; Allen said nothing about it, and did not offer to strip. Prior (PIPER) had been twice and Allen once convicted. The Chairman said they had committed a very heinous offence and sentenced them to seven years transportation.   


He had twice before been convicted of fighting and riotous assembly when drunk  :)

Definitely a real character

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