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Antrim / Re: Hutton family Belfast in 1850-1870’s
« on: Monday 22 September 25 22:51 BST (UK)  »
That all makes sense. Thanks Jon_ni and everyone else for the tips and sharing your extensive knowledge.

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Antrim / Re: Hutton family Belfast in 1850-1870’s
« on: Monday 22 September 25 21:15 BST (UK)  »
is listed as C.I. St John the Evangelist Parish Church, on page 108 of PRONI's guide (the successor church) but as the dates start 1853 which was the founding date of Laganbank and >100 years before its successor across the river in Orangefield, Co Down, are the ones you are after.

C.I. St John the Evangelist Parish Church, Orangefield (Down diocese).
Baptisms, 1853-1943; Marriages, 1855-1901; Printed booklet on the Churches History, c.1970.
Digital Records CR1/129.
Baptisms, 1853-92; marriages, 1855-97. MIC583/4 & MIC1/320

Good that the registers have been digitised likely as colour pdf's as  makes consulting much quicker and easier on the eye [not available on the internet, just internally].
Sometimes the eCat is worth checking too inputting references or keywords.

PRONI ref: CR1/129*
"Please note that PRONI does not hold the original records, but a digital copy is available in the search room for records listed below this reference number.
PRONI holds digital copies of the following registers from St John the Evangelist Parish Church: Baptisms, 1853-1943; Marriages, 1855-1901; Vestry Minutes, 1870-1914; Printed booklet on the Churches History, c.1970. The original records are still in local custody."

Seems a small church hall was opened by St John's Laganbank in 1937 in residential Castlereagh and ran jointly with Laganbank until it closed 1943 due to the increasing industralisation. The 1st sod was cut for the 3rd church, St John's Orangefield 29 Jan 1955.
Belfast News-Letter 31 January 1955 https://findmypast.co.uk/image-viewer?issue=bl/0000038/19550131&page=8

Ok, thank you. So looks like I need to visit to view anything as I am in England!

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Antrim / Re: Hutton family Belfast in 1850-1870’s
« on: Monday 22 September 25 10:39 BST (UK)  »
It was Laganbank located per the genuki link as says in the Town of Belfast rather than in the Parish of Malone or Parish of Upper Falls which the others do and the first sod was cut for construction of Orangefield 29 July 1955 & named after St John's Laganbank which had been demolished 1943.

Mays Fields was St John's in the earliest list by Mays Market & the river before May Street and Oxford Street etc were fully constructed. That area was where Annette Street was if refer to he street Directories.
Annette Street (Verner Street to Turnley Street). Verner Street (May Street to Murphy Street).
Was directly opposite St George's Market https://maps.app.goo.gl/r2VMwRc8vXMM2Afo6
use PRONI's old maps https://nidirect.gov.uk/services/search-proni-historical-maps-viewer

I'm saying search irishgen for Hutton marriages and open the pdf images and read the father's name and occupation. RootsIreland has the father's fornames indexed I think but you need a sub and still need to conult the actual irishgen images. In England you would use the census for siblings that option is not available so you have to use things a different way to elsewhere and all the civil BMD records are online for free up to 1922. Longwinded sometimes have to open 20 or 50 tabs depending on the surname.

Sorry if I am being dim but I am still confused as to whether the baptisms are available for the St Johns Laganbank. I have looked at the PRONI guide to Church records and can't find that church. Can someone guide me to the info like I am an child?

Can anyone help with this?

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Antrim / Re: Hutton family Belfast in 1850-1870’s
« on: Friday 19 September 25 21:31 BST (UK)  »
Gosh, the will of John Hutton of Annette Street. Quite short.
Dated 16 June 1856
Died 17 June 1856
Proved 25 March 1857
Here
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJ8-M3G3

How did you find that and how would I search for other wills for the family? Johns will doesn’t mention his wife so does that mean she died before him?

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Antrim / Re: Hutton family Belfast in 1850-1870’s
« on: Friday 19 September 25 21:15 BST (UK)  »
Children Richard, Sarah, Eliza, William, Henry, Thomas, James.
Other two children Margret and Mary are now able to do for themselves - to receive one shilling each!

Absolutely fantastic find! Thanks.

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Antrim / Re: Hutton family Belfast in 1850-1870’s
« on: Friday 19 September 25 21:04 BST (UK)  »
Also from PRONI
8 February 1867
The Will of Richard Hutton late of Annetta-street Belfast Carter deceased who died 18 July 1863 at same place was proved at Belfast by the oath of William Hutton of Annetta-street Belfast aforesaid Carter the sole Executor.
Effects under £100

Images starting here (right at bottom)
https://apps.proni.gov.uk/willscalendar_ie/WillsSearchImage.aspx?id=160657

Thank you, I can't get that link to work though

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Antrim / Re: Hutton family Belfast in 1850-1870’s
« on: Friday 19 September 25 20:57 BST (UK)  »
It was Laganbank located per the genuki link as says in the Town of Belfast rather than in the Parish of Malone or Parish of Upper Falls which the others do and the first sod was cut for construction of Orangefield 29 July 1955 & named after St John's Laganbank which had been demolished 1943.

Mays Fields was St John's in the earliest list by Mays Market & the river before May Street and Oxford Street etc were fully constructed. That area was where Annette Street was if refer to he street Directories.
Annette Street (Verner Street to Turnley Street). Verner Street (May Street to Murphy Street).
Was directly opposite St George's Market https://maps.app.goo.gl/r2VMwRc8vXMM2Afo6
use PRONI's old maps https://nidirect.gov.uk/services/search-proni-historical-maps-viewer

I'm saying search irishgen for Hutton marriages and open the pdf images and read the father's name and occupation. RootsIreland has the father's fornames indexed I think but you need a sub and still need to conult the actual irishgen images. In England you would use the census for siblings that option is not available so you have to use things a different way to elsewhere and all the civil BMD records are online for free up to 1922. Longwinded sometimes have to open 20 or 50 tabs depending on the surname.

Sorry if I am being dim but I am still confused as to whether the baptisms are available for the St Johns Laganbank. I have looked at the PRONI guide to Church records and can't find that church. Can someone guide me to the info like I am an child?

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Antrim / Re: Hutton family Belfast in 1850-1870’s
« on: Friday 19 September 25 19:33 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for all the info everyone, I have lots to go on and I have learned a lot. Can anyone tell me what the father Richard Hutton's occupation is here for the marriage of William John Hutton and Sarah Jane Hanna? Is it Carowner? https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1889/10731/5912504.pdf

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Antrim / Re: Hutton family Belfast in 1850-1870’s
« on: Friday 19 September 25 12:06 BST (UK)  »
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Are the non-Catholic records even available
Some are, some arent.

They were a Church of Ireland marriages 1874 at St John's Laganbank (since demolished). Those that are online are on RootsIReland (not Ancestry or Findmypast) for both the Co Antrim & Ballymacarrett (Down) sides of Belfast. eg St Annes is all indexed, Christ Church is not. Some were lost forever 1922 in PRO Dublin others are accessible only via microfilm in PRONI, Belfast.

Refer to https://nidirect.gov.uk/publications/guide-church-records for what exists
St John's Laganbank was only consecrated 1853. Thomas Hutton was 20, James 21 or older and their father was dead.
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/irl/ANT/Belfast/StJohnCoI
List of the churches in Belfast 1852 https://streetdirectories.proni.gov.uk/media/TolCCNHougUrdeGa9IrJEA..a

To find siblings brouse Hutton marriage images, search, open and look at the father as others have been doing.

Thanks for that info, it will be very useful. I thought I read that there were two churches called St John’s in Belfast but I can see 3 on one of those links. Is St John’s Laganbank that you mention the one that says St John the Baptist, Upper Falls (Connor Diocese) or St John’s, Malone (Connor Diocese) (or even St John the evangelist, Orangefield)? And how do I tell from the civil marriage entry which one it is?
And are you saying browse RootsIreland or somewhere else like irishgenealogy.ie?

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