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Wexford / Re: Is the name Ciss or Cissie a real name
« on: Tuesday 16 October 18 09:37 BST (UK) »
My great grandmother was known as Ciss but her real name was Alice
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The Common Room / Re: Movement of common people in 1881 between London & Nottingham
« on: Tuesday 16 October 18 09:30 BST (UK) »
Thank you to everyone - you have all given me so much information and so much to think about. I apologise for the delay in my reply, I have been very busy with work but you have all inspired me to keep investigating more of my tree - so many people to look into. I had no idea that people moved around so much. What an eye opener.
Thanks again
Thanks again
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The Common Room / Movement of common people in 1881 between London & Nottingham
« on: Monday 24 September 18 11:56 BST (UK) »
Hello,
This is my first post on RootsChat although I have read many posts in the course of my research into my family tree.
I am trying to find out why an ancestor would have gone from East London to Nottingham and the likelihood of a Nottinghamshire 4yo child being placed into the Berner Street School in East London possibly for the disabled.
The details I have are:
William Guy 1849 born in Fiskerton Nottinghamshire
de facto with Sarah Jane Watson (known as Jane) 1855 - 31st August 1881(parents are William & Ann)
Children
Mary Ann Guy 1877 - before 1885
Elizabeth Jane Guy 1878 - 1898 (I need to order her death certificate to be sure)
In the 1881 census the family are living at 3 Halifax Square Nottingham with Sarah's brother John Watson and William is working as a labourer.
I believe Sarah Jane Watson died on the 31st August 1881 of phthisis (pulmonary tuberculosis) at Balloon Court. This was not her home, but it was a few streets away from her home. Her husband was not the informant, it was another woman named Sarah.
I think that the following happened, but I am not sure how realistic it would be in 1881
William took Mary Ann to the Berner Street School in East London and enrolled her on the 29th September 1881 her address is listed as 17 Morgan Street. She didn't have any disabilities recorded beside her name in the census 5 months earlier. He met his next defacto partner Sarah Ann Wager, youngest daughter of John William Wager sealing wax maker, thirteen years his junior. (not so concerned that this is unrealistic its just information I have) Mary Ann contracted laryngitis and passed away on 1st March 1882 aged five in the presence of her aunt Emma Fallon at 17 Morgan Street St George in the East London (death certificate). She had to have died before 1885 because William named his third daughter Mary Ann.
At the next census in 1891 the family are living at 2 Eagle Place Alison Rise Nottingham North East:
William (born Fiskerton) 1849 (horse keeper)
Sarah Ann (born East London) 1863 - 1908
Elizabeth Jane (born Nottingham) aged 12
Mary Ann (born Great Gonerby) aged 6
Ada (born Nottingham) aged 1 1890 - 23rd December 1910 (She died of a chest complaint - Ada is my 2nd great grandmother - her details are definite and confirmed by my Grandad - I'm pretty lucky)
William's wife Sarah Ann is consistently recorded in census records as being born in East London - is it feasible she moved that far or why would a labourer from Nottinghamshire go to London? Because these family members are born in different places, I am confident I am tracking the right people in the census records. There are two more children, John William and Thomas Henry, born after 1891 if that is relevant. At the next census William is working as a railway labourer.
I am open to any advice or pointers if I've followed the wrong people, but mostly would like suggestions as to possibilities for how a 22yo woman from East London formed a relationship with a 35yo man from Nottingham.
Many thanks
This is my first post on RootsChat although I have read many posts in the course of my research into my family tree.
I am trying to find out why an ancestor would have gone from East London to Nottingham and the likelihood of a Nottinghamshire 4yo child being placed into the Berner Street School in East London possibly for the disabled.
The details I have are:
William Guy 1849 born in Fiskerton Nottinghamshire
de facto with Sarah Jane Watson (known as Jane) 1855 - 31st August 1881(parents are William & Ann)
Children
Mary Ann Guy 1877 - before 1885
Elizabeth Jane Guy 1878 - 1898 (I need to order her death certificate to be sure)
In the 1881 census the family are living at 3 Halifax Square Nottingham with Sarah's brother John Watson and William is working as a labourer.
I believe Sarah Jane Watson died on the 31st August 1881 of phthisis (pulmonary tuberculosis) at Balloon Court. This was not her home, but it was a few streets away from her home. Her husband was not the informant, it was another woman named Sarah.
I think that the following happened, but I am not sure how realistic it would be in 1881
William took Mary Ann to the Berner Street School in East London and enrolled her on the 29th September 1881 her address is listed as 17 Morgan Street. She didn't have any disabilities recorded beside her name in the census 5 months earlier. He met his next defacto partner Sarah Ann Wager, youngest daughter of John William Wager sealing wax maker, thirteen years his junior. (not so concerned that this is unrealistic its just information I have) Mary Ann contracted laryngitis and passed away on 1st March 1882 aged five in the presence of her aunt Emma Fallon at 17 Morgan Street St George in the East London (death certificate). She had to have died before 1885 because William named his third daughter Mary Ann.
At the next census in 1891 the family are living at 2 Eagle Place Alison Rise Nottingham North East:
William (born Fiskerton) 1849 (horse keeper)
Sarah Ann (born East London) 1863 - 1908
Elizabeth Jane (born Nottingham) aged 12
Mary Ann (born Great Gonerby) aged 6
Ada (born Nottingham) aged 1 1890 - 23rd December 1910 (She died of a chest complaint - Ada is my 2nd great grandmother - her details are definite and confirmed by my Grandad - I'm pretty lucky)
William's wife Sarah Ann is consistently recorded in census records as being born in East London - is it feasible she moved that far or why would a labourer from Nottinghamshire go to London? Because these family members are born in different places, I am confident I am tracking the right people in the census records. There are two more children, John William and Thomas Henry, born after 1891 if that is relevant. At the next census William is working as a railway labourer.
I am open to any advice or pointers if I've followed the wrong people, but mostly would like suggestions as to possibilities for how a 22yo woman from East London formed a relationship with a 35yo man from Nottingham.
Many thanks
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