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The Common Room / Re: Help on 1921 Census
« on: Wednesday 12 November 25 13:59 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you for finding the 1921 census on Ancestry.  Someone certainly made a mess of the transcription!!

I have researched the family extensively and as follows.

Alice married Robert Crowther and they lived at Port Sunlight.  The family folklore said Alice and her husband died and the two children were re-homed with Alice's father and second wife and a brother and his wife.  I found that Robert died in 1913 and that they had three children.  In early 1914 Alice went to Canada where she had an older sister.  Alice re-married in Canada (Joseph Mulvaney) who then died at Vimy Ridge in World War One and is commemorated there.  Alice died not long afterwards from alcoholic poisoning.  Joseph left instructions for money to go to England for Alice's children but the Canadian military refused.  Robert and Alice's son stayed, so far as I know, with his grandparents while his sister, Kathleen, went to her Uncle Roderick when he married and was raised with their own son.  No-one knew about the third child (Robert Lionel Crowther) I found and I have been tracking him.  I believe Alice may have intended to return to the UK or send for her children but World War One got in the way.  I suspect the youngest child went to his father's family and was 'lost' to the Hume family.

It is a sorry tale .............

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Shropshire / Re: Wem Grammar School
« on: Wednesday 12 November 25 13:43 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you - I will follow the link.

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Shropshire / Wem Grammar School
« on: Wednesday 12 November 25 10:52 GMT (UK)  »
Does anyone know if the records for the school are available to search either at the school or via a local history group or library?

I have three brothers listed in the 1901 census there and want to find out more about them if possible.

I believe the school is now called Thomas Adams.

Thank you!

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The Common Room / Help on 1921 Census
« on: Wednesday 12 November 25 10:49 GMT (UK)  »
I have information that Kathleen Elizabeth Crowther (born 1911 in London) was recorded in the 1921 census with her uncle (Roderick Stuart Hume) and his wife and son living in Wallasey, Cheshire.  Both Kathleen's parents had died.

I have searched with all sorts of variations and just cannot find the actual record.  Although I have the information I would like to see the actual record to share with a family member.

Any ideas???

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The Common Room / Re: I can't make sense of this .........
« on: Tuesday 11 November 25 08:37 GMT (UK)  »
My research into the Irish ancestors was done pre-2016 and although I did get a lot of information it was a struggle.  Perhaps a 're-visit' is required.

Thank you.

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The Common Room / Re: I can't make sense of this .........
« on: Monday 10 November 25 17:11 GMT (UK)  »
Yes, thank you.  I followed the links and have downloaded the documents.  I don't think these were available (or I didn't find them) when I did my original research - some years ago now.


Gillian

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The Common Room / Re: I can't make sense of this .........
« on: Monday 10 November 25 17:02 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you for the correction on his age and baptism records.  I will add the information and documents to my files.

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The Common Room / Re: I can't make sense of this .........
« on: Monday 10 November 25 15:10 GMT (UK)  »
I have a photo of Roderick and his brothers said to be in school uniform.  The photo on the Wem Grammar School website is not clear enough but my husband's grandfather (the youngest boy) could well be in it.

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The Common Room / Re: I can't make sense of this .........
« on: Monday 10 November 25 14:15 GMT (UK)  »
An interesting set of replies, suggestions and research.  I have spoken to Roderick's grandson who was quite close to his grandfather and he has no recollection of railways ever being mentioned and seems sure he would have heard it or remembered it.  I have researched this whole Hume family extensively and wrote the following as part of a wider, fuller biography:

"In the 1901 census the three Hume boys at Wem Grammar School are aged 16 years old, 15 years old and 12 years old respectively.

Family folklore says that Edward’s sons spent school holidays in school because the headmaster was a friend of Edward.  The assumption was that Edward was in the army and/or a single parent (his first wife, Catherine, had died) and could not provide a home for the boys during school holidays.  The fact the census return for the school showed only 14 boys present and the ‘family folklore’ suggesting the three boys were in school during holidays led me to look a little more closely at the matter.  Census night for 1901 was Sunday 31st March.  Good Friday was 5th April so it may be some of the boys had left for the end of term holidays and those remaining were waiting to leave/be collected or spending the holidays in school.

Having confirmed Roderick and his brothers were in school I looked at some information from the school’s archives.  One particular document says the headmaster in 1901 was Joseph Ohm and it seems he was a very well-respected head.  Joseph Ohm is confirmed as the head in the 1901 census.  Was he a friend of Edward?  As Elizabeth (Edward's second wife after the death of his first, Irish wife who was the mother of all his children) was very much a local girl from a local family in Wem it seems possible Edward and Elizabeth did know Joseph and his family but whilst all the Ohm children were born in Wem neither Joseph nor his wife were born there.

There would seem to be no particularly good reason why the boys were not at home for the holidays as Edward and Elizabeth were, in 1901, at The George Hotel in Stockport.  Edward gives his occupation as 'publican' working on his own account (i.e. working for himself) and "at home" which meant he also lived on the premises.  Elizabeth Hume is also at the hotel along with Edward's two daughters:  Eugenie aged 21 years old and a saleswoman and Alice at 18 years old with no occupation given.  The rest of the household are staff occupied with the running of the hotel and all seem to be locals or from Elizabeth's home in and around Wem in Shropshire.  Roderick’s older brother, Edward (known in the family as Ned) was in the army in 1901.  Apart from the four family members at the hotel there are seven servants living and working in the hotel and no guests which might suggest it was closed until the Easter weekend.

Wem Grammar School is now The Thomas Adams School incorporating Adams College 6th Form Centre.

Roderick’s military service record tells us that just a year after the 1901 census, on 24th March 1902 he joined the 1st West Yorkshire Royal Engineers (Volunteers) as a Sapper.  He would have been aged 18 years old but he was following a well-worn path given that his grandfathers, father and older brother were all military men.  At the same time as being a volunteer Roderick was, I believe, working in a bank.  The records show that on 12th November 1904 he left as a Corporal in the 3rd City Battalion of the King’s Liverpool Regiment and the reason given was “leaving City of Sheffield for promotion in the bank”.

I have Roderick in the 1911 census but not found him in 1921.  As no other birth records show an R. S. Hume born in 1884 or appearing in census returns it seems certain the railway record is right but remains 'odd'.  Is it possible he dipped out of school for a few months to try his hand at manual work with an apprenticeship and then went back to school?  Would his father (an ambitious, pretentious man from my research) have allowed this and would the school have supported it although if Ohm was a friend of Roderick's father he might have been persuaded to go along with the idea.  I'm thinking out loud on this .........

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