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Margaret de Courcy was Eugene's wife. They had no issue.  What appears to be her probate in 1819 is right below Eugene's 1814 one in the probates document, obviously complied at a later date..

Michael O'Mahony and his wife Helen Hollis had 5 known issue, Eugene, Bartholomew 1748, Elizabeth, Anna and Eleanora.

Bartholomew went to France and stayed there, hence the need for the collective documents the summary of which is now held by the French family, and letters. That those documents did once exist, to be able to be produced for the process of gaining French nationalty in 1767, and to postulate for the order of Malta in 1774 begs the question which archives were they all from then, and where are they all now? Documents appear patchy and there seems to be a lot of missing stuff, baptisms, marriages, wills and deaths.

Awesome stuff, thanks.

Now throw in the probate document of Mary Anne Lawlor in 1833 and her two named aunts, Johanna Sullivan and Hanora Baker (haven't started working through which side they are aunts from, and whether they are blood aunts or married in)

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9BY-K929-S?mode=g&cat=232755

And I am currenty chatting with a downstream Lawlor in France who has a completely different verson of the Mahony family on his Geneanet tree with Eugene as the brother of Elizabeth (who married Hugh Lawlor), and their father is Michael born in 1723 - Cork married to Helena Holles. First child in the list oif issue is Eugene (Owen) 1746 of Molahiffe who married Margaret de Courcy.

He points out the 1783 discussion about the upcoming marriage of Elizabeth to Hugh Lawlor doesn't actually state Eugene is her father.

So how far I can validate any of this I don't know, but if he is able to provide links to the sources of his documentation that will be brilliant.

ETA

I can't fault his knowledge, he has family documents -

"We have confirmation of that fact by letters showing that Eugene was sending money to Bartholomew (his brother) during the "Emigration" (1800s). We have a copy of Bartholomew's baptism - jan 5, 1748) : his parents are named (in latin) : Michaelis Ô Mahony et Ellena Hollis" ... so Eugene's parents are the same. Their grandfather is Eugene O'Mahony and probably Eugene's godfather since he wears his name...

To get the French nationalty in 1767, to postulate for the order of Malta (1774) Bartholomew had to provide lots of proofs, certified by the Irish king of arms and other authorities. These were summarized in French documents... etc"

Bartholomew stayed in France, and this is his descendant I am chatting to.

I guess sometimes what you need isn't found in just Irish repositories.

As a follow up to the Michael Lawlor discussion.

Specifically mentioned is "Alexander Lawlor, Esq Killarney Ireland my first cousin " when nominated as Executor in Ireland in Will of Michael Hugh Lawlor HEICS Probated 12 June 1824, which also mentioned his sister "Miss Mary Ann Lawlor of Killarney, spinster".

Mary Ann is easy as she is already fully documented by her death as the daughter of Hugh and the brother of Michael, and he is documented as the son of Hugh Lawlor and Eliza Mahoney when he stated he was the son of Hugh Lawlor, deceased and confirmed by Eliza as signatory to his age and birth date in his attestation document of 18 February 1808 when Michael joined the service.

Likewise I am satisfied with the marriage of Julia Lawlor in 1808 witnessed by her brother Hugh.

Likewise, James Lawlor has a baptism record to Hugh Lawlor and Eliz. Mahony May 1789.

Hugh Jr has a baptism record to Hugh Lawlor and Eliz. Mahoney in 1787, Killarney.

Alexander's father must be a brother of Hugh Lawlor. But who is his father? I have yet to find a baptism for him. I suspect he is possibly the Alexander Lawlor Esq died 29 June 1825, Castlelough, Killarney.

Thanks so much Rosie 99. I was kind of favoring the John and Mary line but then it got kinda confusing with Mary Hill the niece. The family living in Reugate makes sense since that was the address on the marriage certificate. I will go back and try to rebuild it with this line and see where it takes me. Somewhere along the line I had found Tom (1872) Hosegoods daughter living with a James Hosegood and that was when I tried to revalidate and correct some things and it just got to be a big mess. So I deleted everything and started over. But this is pretty much what made sense to me. The dates are a bit wonky but I'll push thru. On both my father ( deceased) and mothers side I have my mother and her brother left....going back in this line there was one guy who had 25 kids by 3 women...how is it I have no family haha. I appreciate the help...still in the learning process. Got help finding my Dad's family. His grandmother was in and out of workhouses in Edmonton and I live in Nova Scotia so I had no idea how that system worked. So sad but so very interesting!!! And I had a lot of success.

This is indeed the same family in my previous post and yes, and this James b 1831 who married Mary Hill is the older brother of my Obed and should have been inheriting the Timwood farm. He was still referred to as married on the 1881 census, but I do think the Mary burial in Reigate is correct. James was buried at Wiveliscombe in June 1913.

I don't know what went wrong to send James and the whole family so far from their historical region to work as a farmer in Chertsey but most appear to have all made it back to Somerset at some time.

Your Alice Mary is not just in my Tree, but I have a DNA match through her daughter Kathleen Emily Stobie and husband Percival Buzza to her daugther.