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Shropshire Lookup Requests / Quarter Sessions 1835 Nock
« on: Tuesday 30 January 24 18:24 GMT (UK)  »
Henry Nock, a Coal Master of Oldbury, Halesowen, Worcestershire is recorded in the 1835 October Quarter Sessions at Shrewsbury as making a Presentment,a Deposition and three Recognizances. References QR348 Entry 13 - Presentment, QR348 Entry 54 - Deposition, and QR348 Entries 116, 117 and 118 - Recognizances.
FindMyPast gives the Shrewsbury Archives as the location of these records but I am told by Shrewsbury Archives that these have not been digitised and the cost of copies would be £15 per entry. Oldbury (in Worcestershire), where Henry Nock lived and had his business was a peculiar in the parish of Halesowen which was at that time in Salop which is presumably why this case was being heard at Shrewsbury.
I have searched newspapers but can find no mention of Henry Nock at this time so I am at a loss to know what this case involving an apparently respectable businessman might be about.
Might someone visiting the archives be prepared to look this up for me please? Hopefully the entries would be in one volume or file. Apparently these are the meanings of these terms:

Recognizance – bond to ensure that the defendant and witnesses appear before the court
Deposition –  testimonies of the accuser and the witness prior to the crime being indicted or prosecuted. 
Presentment – details of the offence useful as it contains place of abode.

There  is  no mention of whether this matter ever came to trial or a verdict!
I would be very grateful for any help!

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Shropshire Lookup Requests / Re: Thomas Hopewell Death and/or Burial
« on: Tuesday 04 April 23 18:07 BST (UK)  »
Sorry, this is the film number for that burial:
FHL Film Number   1526927
Reference ID   Item 11 p 108
 And yes, the Elizabeth Hopewell in that notice was the daughter of Thomas and Mary Hopewell. She and Joseph appear to have had several children but she was then living from at least 1891 with John Greenhouse in Clee Hill as his 'housekeeper' and had several more children, father not clear but probably not Varnham. She eventually married John Greenhouse in 1907! Joseph Varnham died in 1899 in Wakefield where he was living with someone else, the Coroner's Report on his death is quite interesting, not least because one of the witnesses was Elizabeth's brother Benjamin who gave evidence that Varnham was still married to his sister!
Thanks for your continuing efforts.

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Shropshire Lookup Requests / Re: Thomas Hopewell Death and/or Burial
« on: Tuesday 04 April 23 16:54 BST (UK)  »
Thank you to those who have checked for me, much appreciated. I am fairly confident that the Ludlow GRO Death Registration is correct as the year of birth (c.1820) is about right and Ludlow RD covers the Cainham area. And the burial reference for the Knowbury burial is from the England Select Deaths and Burials 1538-1991 which I understand is from the LDS records. It gives these details which seem quite specific. I had also searched on Find My Past, FreeBMD, GRO and found nothing for Thomas's death although there are entries for other members of the family in Knowbury after 1900.
Name   Mary Hopewell
Gender   Female
Death Date   1907
Burial Date   27 Mar 1907
Burial Place   St. Paul, Knowbury, Shropshire, England
I'm grateful for all your help, it seems that Thomas's death is going to continue to be elusive!

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Shropshire Lookup Requests / Thomas Hopewell Death and/or Burial
« on: Tuesday 04 April 23 12:55 BST (UK)  »
Thomas Hopewell, born 1821 Mountsorrel, Leicestershire, a stone cutter, moved to Caynham in the 1860s to work in the stone quarries which I think were around the Clee Hills. He was living in Hope Baggott in 1881. By 1891 his wife Mary is a widow, living in Caynham. I cannot find his death or burial anywhere in the intervening ten years although his wife was buried in  St. Paul, Knowbury when she died in 1907 so I hope he might also be buried there.
The name Hopewell is sometimes misrecorded. Several of his children have records in the name Oakwell but those are mostly in Staffordshire.
It would be useful to be able to look through the Burial Register for Knowbury to see whether there are any likely candidates. Does anyone know whether these are available online anywhere? Any other suggestions most welcome!

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Benefits of joining a family history society.
« on: Friday 12 June 20 16:19 BST (UK)  »
Badgeworth is a smallish village on the outskirts  of Gloucester. It is very close to Shurdington but Sherbourne is in Dorset, I think. I have Hopkins and Young families in that area in the late 1700s/early 1800s, also in Churchdown and Gloucester itself.
There is an active Gloucestershire FHS which may be of interest to you though obviously most societies are not actually meeting at present because of the lockdown. It has some resources at the Gloucestershire Record Office in normal times! Happy hunting!

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Benefits of joining a family history society.
« on: Thursday 11 June 20 19:21 BST (UK)  »
Whereabouts in Gloucestershire? I live in Gloucestershire!

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Benefits of joining a family history society.
« on: Thursday 11 June 20 16:32 BST (UK)  »
Local History Societies are worth checking out, too. I found that one society where some ancestors lived had transcribed and made available online on their website not only all the parish registers for the parish but also the censuses and the school registers and a vast range of personal memories by  older residents - enormously helpful and the latter really brought the place to life for me.
So now when I am looking at an unfamiliar area I always check to see whether there is an active local history society, they are usually keen to be helpful.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Poor House Rowley Regis
« on: Wednesday 10 June 20 14:17 BST (UK)  »
There does not appear to be a lot of information about the Poorhouse available but Edward Chitham (in his 1972 book The Black Country) says
"The Rowley Poorhouse was situated at Tipperty Green where nowadays the Christadelphian church stands. It was a stone building, limewashed white and contained separate accommodation for men and women. In addition to stone breaking both sexes worked in the adjoining nailshop, which was closed in 1829 to provide space for a small sickbay.  In the sickbay the floor was to be laid with bricks and the window looking out on to the garden stopped up, being replaced by another looking onto what is now the Dudley Road. This was to be "above the height of persons" who might look in and see the paupers."
Unfortunately he does not give his sources for this information but it tallies with what I have read elsewhere. Mr Chitham taught me Latin at Rowley Regis Grammar School in the 1960s and ignited my interest in family and local history then. He was certainly still alive at the time of the last school reunion in 2019 so I suppose it might be possible to ask him where he got this information.
A book called "Rowley Regis" by J Wilson-Jones (Librarian, Rowley Regis for many years), published in 1950 and which appears to be based partly on local records to which he had access and partly to conversations with local elderly people refers to Vestry records in 1820 (Probably now with Sandwell Archives) which required inmates to be employed breaking a certain quantity of stones before they were given a meal.
The rowleyvillage.webs.com website states:
"1738  Poor House – by indenture date 03/08/1738 in consideration of £50 Thomas Haden and John Turton had purchased of the Rev Thomas Saunders two dwelling houses or tenements situate at a place called Iberwick (later Tipperty) Green in the Parish of Rowley and reciting that the said messuages had been converted into a workhouse for the poor of the said parish. "
"1836 Rowley regis poor-house amalgamated with Dudley Poor Law Union. Rowley Regis poor house which was located in Treacle Street  between Cock Green and the Knowle closed. Treacle Street no longer exists but its whereabouts can be defined from the 1861 census. Another site for an earlier or later poorhouse is thought to be at the junction of Tipperty Green by the Bulls Head."
Again, no sources are given!
Finally, my 4xg-grandfather is shown living in Tipperty Green in two censuses, along with an Elizabeth Thompson in each, in the 1841 census they are shown as of independent means (she as the Head of the household) but in the 1851, by which time my 4xg-grandfather was 88,  both are described as Almspeople and he as a pauper. So some provision for the elderly poor continued in Tipperty Green as late as 1851, despite the amalgamation with the Dudley Poor Law Union. He died in 1852 so I have no later information.
Sorry this is all so vague but it may be of interest.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Stafford burials
« on: Sunday 15 March 20 13:07 GMT (UK)  »
From experience of managing a cemetery, even when a cemetery is closed for new burials, that means interments in new graves.  It is usual for re-opening of existing graves to be permitted to allow the later interment of spouses/partners which may happen many years after the original burial. So often there is no specific date after which burials do not occur. 

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