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Ayrshire / Re: Fenwick, Ayrshire - Was this murder?
« on: Friday 06 March 20 19:55 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Monty Dog.  Have sent Ancestry invite to you.  Let me know if it works and if it is fulfilling.  'Cousin' to us, wattnb, was a true guiding ligt, full of and willing to share research gains and information, a real pro at discovering documents and information. I was lucky to find her and trust you will be too.





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Ayrshire / Re: Fenwick, Ayrshire - Was this murder?
« on: Wednesday 04 March 20 18:22 GMT (UK)  »
Hugh Lundie is the direct ancestory of the family I am researching.
I'd be very pleased to share the information I have.  I've done a lot of my own research from afar but am grateful to those who shared with me and, of course, there is no point in reinventing wheels as there will always be plenty of other points to spend time researching.
My tree is private at the moment, only because it is still a work in progress and I don't want to unleash any errors on an unsuspecting world (I've seen a lot of silly copying of silly assumptions on Ancestry).
If you are willing to give me your Ancestry username, I can use it to send you an invitation through Ancestry.

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Ayrshire / Re: Fenwick, Ayrshire - Was this murder?
« on: Wednesday 04 March 20 15:28 GMT (UK)  »
I assume you mean Janet Lundie, sister of Hugh Lundie who was the husband of the woman who died in Fenwick.  Concerning that death, the Ayr Advertiser in August 1835 reported that a "precognition has been taken by the civil authorities... which is to be forwarded to Crown Counsel.  A subsequent entry in a legal record reported "no proceedings" against Hugh by which I assume that accidental death was thought to be the cause and no case was made against Hugh.

Through RootsChat I came into contact with someone who shared with me the wealth of information she had found on the Lundies which I have incorporated into Ancestry.com tree.  Are you researching on Ancestry?

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Ayrshire / Re: Ballantines/Ballantynes of Ayrshire/Lanarkshire
« on: Saturday 22 December 18 20:15 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks for your reply.  More info has been uncovered since my original post, but mysteries remain.
Caroline Ballantyne born ca 1795 in Drymen Stirling (but no birth cert found).  Her death cert says her parents were John Ballantyne, a mason, and Janet Walker. (Surname was Walker not MacKxxx, my stupid error.) However, Janet was married to Matthew Ballantyne, a sawyer.  Matthew's father was named John.
Matthew and Janet also had a daughter named Jean who married Mitchell Harris.  Their son John Harris became a master shoemaker.  In her later years, Caroline lived with him and his family and he was present at Caroline's death.
So, most likely father was Matthew and not John (and the John Ballantyne, merchant in Ayrshire was an early false lead).
Caroline married Hugh Lundie, 1836, Gorbals.  It was his 3rd marriage.  Their daughter Caroline was born 1839, soon after which the parents (Caroline and Hugh) seemed to go separate ways.  Daughter Caroline married James Allan Thomson in 1859 and died of typhus in 1867.  Mother Caroline died in 1874

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Ayrshire / Re: Ballantines/Ballantynes of Stirling and Glasgow
« on: Friday 29 June 18 20:08 BST (UK)  »
Greetings!  None of the posts have mentioned the Ballantynes I'm looking for, so hope someone may have some info.  I'm looking for Caroline Ballantyne b ca 1795, possibly Drymore, Stirling parish.  Her parents were John Ballantyne, possibly merchant in Ayrshire married to Janet M'Lord.  Caroline's death cert says her mother was Janet MacKxxx (illegible).  Perhaps the two Janets are one and the same.

Caroline married Hugh Lundie in 1836 in the Gorbals.  After his death (or maybe before!), it looks like  she reverted to Ballantyne surname and if so was in Glasgow in 1861 and Partick in 1871, living first with her daughter  Caroline now Thomson, wife of tea merchant, and later with her nephew James Harris, master shoe maker.  Died 1874.

Any clues gratefully received!

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Ayrshire / Re: Fenwick, Ayrshire - Was this murder?
« on: Friday 29 June 18 17:25 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for the interesting history.  Both the Plantation and the famine could be motivators for our Lundies as well, I guess, of family ties at other times.  I have been looking for reasons  why they might have moved back to Scotland in 1805, but texts so far have only discussed further migration from Ulster to the new world.  But I might come up with something yet.
Re Inch, I did see it but was giving it further thought.  I think you are right that it is a strong possibility which should not be overlooked.
Concerning James, nothing on Ancestry had popped up about him so I did not have him in my tree until you mentioned him.  Is it possible that he is not a sibling, but the son of another Lundie family?  Fingers crossed your friend might find out more.  I don't really have proof of birth for any of the siblings.
For Hugh Lundie I have born 1779, married 26 Jul 1814 Elizabeth Johnston in Galston, married 1830 Margaret McConnel in Fenwick, married 19 Nov 1835 Caroline Ballantyne in Gorbals, died 26 July 1857 • Houston and Killellan, Renfrewshire (this from Ancestry trees only, no source)
Elizabeth's death record said he was a labourer, 1815 birth cert for son John says labourer. 1859 marriage cert dtr Caroline said her father Hugh Lundie was a farmer. Son John's 1869 death cert says farm servant. Caroline's death cert says 'contractor'.
I've seen a lot of wedding certificates where the father's profession was made somewhat grander than reality, so I guess something like that was happening here.
(Also I've seen a lot of mindless copying on Ancestry and while I've been sometimes guilty myself, I do try to evaluate things.)
I don't want to exhaust you! So maybe we can start with Hugh and do Caroline next time?
Best regards.

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Ayrshire / Re: Fenwick, Ayrshire - Was this murder?
« on: Thursday 28 June 18 12:58 BST (UK)  »
Again, many thanks for fascinating info.  The grave inscription has not seemed to turn up on Ancestry.
Do I take it then from the inscription that 1739 death of Hugh is the earliest known date for Lundies in Loughgilly (or for that matter elsewhere in Ulster)?  Naturally, this is likely to have been at least a bit earlier as I doubt Hugh died as soon as he arrived, but in terms of concrete date, is this the earliest?
Funnily enough, one Ancestry tree said that John Lundie ca 1760 - ? was a linen weaver but gave no source.
On Find My Past apparently there are two wills for a John Lundy in county Down, one 1820 and the other 1836.  I'm not a member so couldn't access more info than this.
I'll keep scouting around online...
Greers - the  1796 flax list had a number of Greers.  Will study them a bit more but it doesn't seem there is any way to tie people together.  Still, its useful and interesting.

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Ayrshire / Re: Fenwick, Ayrshire - Was this murder?
« on: Wednesday 27 June 18 14:24 BST (UK)  »
Greetings!
Do you have any information about the antecedents of Hugh Lundie and his siblings?  I have John Lundie b ca 1760 Loughgilly married to Agnes Grier b ca 1760 Loughgilly.  Agnes was the dtr of Robert Grier b ca 1730.  This is from various Ancestry trees, but there's no documentation for any of it.  I've not been able to find any docs or even any clues elsewhere online.

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Ayrshire / Re: Fenwick, Ayrshire - Was this murder?
« on: Tuesday 26 June 18 16:55 BST (UK)  »
Lots of new info here thanks to you!  And yes, made it onto PM and have written you.

If all the Lundie children went to Scotland in 1805, the youngest would have been about 2 which implies that the parents took them there - I have father John Lundie, mother Agnes Grier but no death dates/locations for either.

As Lundie and Grier seem to be Scottish names, I wonder if they were poor lowland Scots who had earlier migrated to Ulster in the Plantation drive, or followed later.  One website says Greers were some of the earliest Plantation arrivals.  Lundies, however, not mentioned.  But I'm only starting to study this event.

Robert was married to whom?  I have both Annie Wallace and Margaret Wallace and no proof for either.  Also have just 2 children Robert 1823-1882 and Elizabeth 1825 (her mother was Margaret).

I did not have brother James on my tree, so have added him.

Hugh's wife Caroline - date of death I have is 15 Dec 1874 in Glasgow aged 79 and I also have access to a death certificate for her. (I better give some attention to Elizabeth Johnstone to see how she might have died!)

Thomas - the trial can as a big but unpleasant surprise!  found only one tiny reference online to it.  Was he convicted?  That could cause the family to split up and/or move out of town.

Janet

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