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Family History Beginners Board / Re: William Ellis and Fanny Thackeray, Sheffield and Rotherham
« on: Wednesday 20 June 18 21:29 BST (UK)  »
Hello, I too am researching for our pioneering forefather William Thackwray born about 1779, most likely in Yorkshire region, married to Dorothy Pownall, I have learned more about the Pownall's origins in Salford & Chesire but the Thackwray origin still is elusive ?

So we have one Thackwray-Thackeray family tree in South Africa since 1820, wanting to find a DNA link to other family trees in Yorkshire & the world to solve this ?

- research history shows the variation in spellings of this surname has occurred often
eg:- Thackwray, Thackray, Thackway, Thackeray, Thackerray, Thackuray, Thackery, Thackerey, Thackary, Thackwraye, Thackrey, Thackory, Thacerey, Thakkerey, Thackara !!!

- in fact there are family trees with diffrerent spellings between father, son & siblings,
eg:- Read & look at this family tree example to see how quickly surnames can change within family trees :-  https://jon.thackray.org/family-tree/

- this surname name originated in the North of England,

- most of us will have at least one Thack???? antecedent born in Yorkshire, England !

Today we are scattered in the USA, Canada, UK, Europe, Africa, Australia, New Zealand
and we have difficulty researching our ancestors before 1800 due to these spelling variations on old hand written documents ...

Today we can easily solve the mysteries of our surname by a Y-DNA surname project, and link family branches globally and possibly prove our links to the migration of the Vikings !

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Thackwray 1820 South Africa Settler roots back in Sheffield, Yorkshire area ?
« on: Sunday 17 June 18 12:20 BST (UK)  »
Hello Garsonite,

Thanks, I am very interested in your research thoughts !

1] According to the Northampton Ship passenger list, which arrived in Table Bay, Cape Town on 26th March 1820, on route to William's final destination of Algoa Bay, Port Elizabeth ...
- as per this resource www.cdbooks-r-us.com/freebies/bsa.pdf (pages 133-136)
- William Thackwray's age is listed as 40yrs
- and wife Dorothy Pownall's age is listed as 43yrs
- so on his marriage in 1802, William would have been about 22yrs
- therefore William's birth year is approx 1779-1780 ?
- thus a baptism date of 1783 is possible for William ?
- however, it appears Dorothy was older than the 43yrs listed in 1820 as her baptism at Church Hulme, Salford was in Dec 1773, making her 47yrs old ... but I imagine she being very image and self-conscious of being 7yrs older than her husband ... is the reason for the 4yr discrepancy ?

2] The mis-spelling of Thackwray-Thackory doesn't worry me as I have seen so many spelling variations already through our research ... BUT why did you feel Saddleworth, Yorkshire was a coincidence ?

3] I am battling to see Source: LDS Film 1502433 as familysearch.org shows Film # 004421040 with 614 images ... SO not certain where or what to look at ... can you help out here ?

4] Also when I try go to the Register: Baptisms 1793 - 1840, Entry 531
     Source: LDS Film 560900 familysearch.org takes me to Film # 004407886 with only 173 images ... so I can't see Dorothy Thackeray's actual baptism image ?

5] I have tried to document my research finding on a closed family research Facebook group :
https://www.facebook.com/groups/130742654291672/ you are welcome to join if you want read my research findings ?

Thanks
Warren

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Thackwray 1820 South Africa Settler roots back in Sheffield, Yorkshire area ?
« on: Saturday 16 June 18 21:43 BST (UK)  »
Thanks Rosie99,

Yes, it appears they married in Isleworth, Middlesex in January 1802, they may have met there if William Thackwray was doing an apprenticeship as a "Wheelwright/Carpenter" or apparently it was the fashion to come out to London area to find a marriage partner in those times ?

From the British Cape Colony records, we know a little more on wife Dorothy Pownall 1771–1850
BIRTH 1771 • Church Hulme, Cheshire, England, as we have a request for her sister Catherine wife of Crofts Mayor family living at Thorp Arch, or Boston near Wetherby, Yorkshire in 1826, wanting the British Government to sponsor their passage to South Africa ... I don't think they came ... BUT it does prove that the Pownalls' origin was Chesire close to Salford & Yorkshire ?

And Yorkshire appears to be the "hotspot origin for Thackwrays', Thackrays', Thackerays' etc" as per https://jon.thackray.org/family-tree/ research ?

So a Y-DNA Thackwray project might help narrow our search to a specific family tree ?

Or maybe Catherine & Crofts Mayor's family descendants might have information, if we can track them down ?

This type of research is challenging detective work, and help from other researchers in the community is needed and welcome :)

Thanks
Warren Thackwray


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Family History Beginners Board / Thackwray 1820 South Africa Settler roots back in Sheffield, Yorkshire area ?
« on: Saturday 16 June 18 17:18 BST (UK)  »
Our forefather William Thackwray & wife Dorothy Pownall, had children in Salford & Sheffield, before leaving as British Government Sponsored Settlers to South Africa in 1819 ...

But we cannot locate William Thackwray's born about 1779 actual origins, birth, baptism, siblings or parents ... any ideas on solving this ?

William Thackwray left us this message in an 1865 family bible (attached) about Salford & Sheffield but didn't leave info on his birth place ...

Maybe there is a Thackwray group in the UK that is interested in a Y-DNA testing group project ?

Thanks
Warren Thackwray




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