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Travelling People / Re: Gibson family.
« on: Wednesday 06 March 19 03:06 GMT (UK)  »
Kags,

I have no source for their marriage but familysearch has the birth of their son John on 4 Jan 1869 which was at Duns (see Batch No C117351). Agnes is listed in each census there from 1871 to 1901 but Robert is not mentioned on any of them. Scotlandspeople seems to have no record of their marriage but I was once told that they married in Coldstream. Since writing that earlier I have been unable to find a source to cannot confirm that.

If Robert Rutherford was the son of Esther Faa Blyth why would he have a different surname?

Agnes Gibson was my great great aunt born 1844 in Gordon and her parents were Robert Gibson (b.1795 Nenthorn) and Janet Gibson (b.1806 Forfar) as I mentioned in my post on 5 June.

I do not know who Robert Rutherford's parents were.

Jack

Hi Jack
Esther Faa Blythe married a Rutherford. see https://www.scottishgypsies.co.uk/esther.html
Hope you are well
Alyson

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Travelling People / Re: Gibson family.
« on: Tuesday 15 May 18 13:22 BST (UK)  »
Jack
Thank you for these articles - fascinating!.  What source do you use for them?
I think the Alexander Reid Gibson may be the right one - compositor is a printer and we know Thomas's son did printing and bookbinding.  This opens up other possible sources like Glasgow Royal Infirmary records and the Sheriff Court records. 
Alyson

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Travelling People / Re: Gibson family.
« on: Sunday 13 May 18 14:46 BST (UK)  »
Hi Jack
We have found four children of Thomas Gibson and Anne Reid. Janet (b 1806) Mary Anne (b 10 Oct 1807) Thomas (b 28 May 1810) and Alexander Reid (b 22 Oct 1815). My family is descended from Alexander. The name is still in the family: my cousin, his sons and grandson all have Alexander as a first or middle name. Alexander married Margaret Drummond.  He seems to have gone from having a travelling library to being a bookbinder and stationer.  We found a record that seems to be his bankruptcy. It looked like it was the perennial small business problem - people not paying their bills.  He was owed around £2400 - about £250,000 in today's money and could not pay his creditors.  He and his wife moved into the Falkirk workhouse where their son Thomas was born in 1845. Young Thomas, aged about 13 seems to have made his way to Dundee where he married twice. His second wife was my grandfather's grandmother. My grandfather remembered her well.
Alyson

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Travelling People / Re: Gibson family.
« on: Wednesday 09 May 18 20:12 BST (UK)  »
Jack
The Grammar School, at least 19th century version of it, stood at corner of Park Street and Princes Street in Falkirk.  It is now a community education centre. It might be worth contacting the Falkirk Herald https://www.falkirkherald.co.uk/contact-us to check if they have any old photos. Some years ago my cousin and I visited Callendar House in Falkirk where all the archives of the town are stored. They were most helpful and I would recommend a visit. It is in a lovely setting http://www.falkirkcommunitytrust.org/heritage/archives/default.aspx . My cousin also found a Forfar connection with both Thomas and Adam teaching at the Academy School there in 18th century.  Adam ended up in Tain at the Academy.  If you search for Adam Gibson and Tain online you can find scans of the school registers.
I found a post where you mentioned a newspaper article about the death of Anne Reid.  Could you post a link to it?
Have a good trip to Linlithgow.
Alyson


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Travelling People / Re: Gibson family.
« on: Wednesday 09 May 18 13:04 BST (UK)  »
Thomas Gibson birth record

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Travelling People / Re: Gibson family.
« on: Wednesday 09 May 18 13:01 BST (UK)  »
Hello Jack
Thomas Gibson was my great-great-great-great grandfather.  So we are very distant cousins!
Adam was Thomas' brother, born in Dumfriesshire in 1778.  I have attached his and Thomas' birth records. Adam was the black sheep of the family.  You can read about the court case at https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=16kDAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA519&lpg=PA519&dq=%22adam+gibson%22+tain&source=bl&ots=MJNWh6mSVv&sig=2boZdWc-aCha4fZhnoUtxdgUlxs&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjV0Y_txfjaAhVqBcAKHd_2CKIQ6AEIOjAE#v=onepage&q=%22adam%20gibson%22%20tain&f=false
Adam had a son named Thomas A Gibson who was a scholar who wrote textbooks in classics, languages and geography in the early 19th century and who emigrated to Canada in 1830s and was later a professor at McGill University. 
Our Thomas Gibson had a son named Alexander who had the travelling library. He died in penury in the workhouse in Falkirk in the early 1840s. His death certificate is annotated and describes him as the son of the rector of Falkirk Grammar School - who was still alive at the time. There is obviously a sad family story there.
I will look out some more material later in the week and send on to you.
Alyson

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Travelling People / Re: Gibson family.
« on: Wednesday 09 May 18 00:23 BST (UK)  »
Debs,

I've just found a possible wife for Alexander Gibson. Janet Jean Gibson born 7 Nov 1788 and baptised 28 Dec 1789 in Falkirk. Her parents were George Gibson and Marianne Manson. See LDS Batch No.C119701. Her death age could have been reckoned from her baptism date but death certs are notoriously unreliable as sources anyway. Her baptism record from ScotlandsPeople Ref.479/50/9 does not give her father's occupation. It only mentions that the birth was lawful. However, the vast majority of my Gibson ancestors were hawkers.

Janet had five siblings, William 1790, Jean Swinton 1792, Agnes Scarth 1794 George 1795 and Thomas 1801, all born in Falkirk.

I can still find no reference to my Janet Gibson, born 1806, being part of this family. Her baptism entry 479/50/382 has her father as Thomas Gibson, Grammar School, Falkirk and her mother as Anne Reid. The very next entry is for her sister Mary Anne who was born 27 Sep 1807 in Forfar and baptised  two weeks later in Falkirk. So, now I have to research the Grammar School thing!

Hope you can make use of all this.

Jack

Jack
My family is descended from Thomas Gibson of Falkirk Grammar School.  A 19th century book "Schools and Schoolmen of Falkirk" by Love, tells of his tenure as rector / headmaster of the School and gives details of his birth and death.  I have attached an extract for you and for other interested Gibsons.  One of Thomas's sons founded Gibson's Travelling Library in 1820s which I'd like to find out more about. I have details, less immediately to hand but recoverable, of his children's dates of birth etc. and also about the scandal involving his brother, Adam Gibson.
AL

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