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Yorkshire (East Riding & York) / Re: Merchant Mariner from Hull, early 1800s
« on: Sunday 13 November 22 19:03 GMT (UK)  »
Have you searched the Merchant Navy and Maritime records on FindMyPast? If you start there you may be able to find out more about him. It can get quite complicated so I'll leave the explanations to the experts! I've spent many hours tracing the merchant navy career of my own ancestor.

ok thanks for this, I haven't had a Findmypast subscription for a while but will sort it out soon and browse those records.

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Yorkshire (East Riding & York) / Re: Merchant Mariner from Hull, early 1800s
« on: Sunday 13 November 22 18:28 GMT (UK)  »
I have many Merchant Mariners in my family who lived in the Port of Leith, Edinburgh, Scotland.

Words for the same occupation changes over the centuries and it will be noted that a MARINER is/was a sailor/seaman/seafarer. 

Britain has TWO navies: 
(1)  The UK government organises and pays for the ROYAL MAVY and

(2)  there is also a MERCHANT NAVY.  This comprises of ships owned by companies, or in the olden days would be owned by rich individuals such as "tea merchants" who owned plantations growing tea or cotton. Or other rich people such as landowners who have paid for part share of a ship and thus have a share of the profits.

Your ancestor was obviously employed to work on merchant ships.  In the days of old ships that used wind to fill the canvas sails, his job would be very manual and would need expertise and agility if he was required to climb the masts and rigging to furl the sails on a fast Clipper for example.  Or in later years he would be employed on steam ships that needed men to look after the steam engine and also "stokers & trimmers" to shovel coal into the steam boilers.

If you know the name of any of the ships your ancestor sailed on then you could follow his travels because local newspapers (such as the Hull Packet) in every port published the days arrivals and departures by giving the name of the ship, plus name of captain plus the last port or future port of call.

Hi
This is really useful thank you. Unfortunately I don't know what ship he would have served on, information about him is scarce (birth records of his children, one census, and his wife's occupation after his death are all that I have to confirm his occupation). I'd be very interested to dig into any associated records should they exist though.

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Yorkshire (East Riding & York) / Re: Merchant Mariner from Hull, early 1800s
« on: Sunday 13 November 22 18:26 GMT (UK)  »
Was the 1871 "Mariner's Alms House" house in Carr Lane, Hull. I note from a couple of newspaper reports it was sometimes referred to as "Master Mariner's Alms House" - one as late as 22 Aug 1873.

Hi, this was the Alms house. I think it has two parts, one for master mariners and one for other?

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Yorkshire (East Riding & York) / Re: Merchant Mariner from Hull, early 1800s
« on: Sunday 13 November 22 17:09 GMT (UK)  »
A Dictionary of Old Trades, Titles and Occupations:

Mariner = anyone whose work entailed them going to sea (See master mariner, proper mariner and common mariner)

Master mariner = A seaman who has passed his examination to become ship's master and so be i charge of a ship.

Proper mariner = A highly qualified mariner fit for international navigation (as opposed to a common mariner - see under that entry)

Common mariner = A mariner involved in the coastal trade who only navigates within sight of land and other ships (i.e. someone who is skilled but not highly skilled at their trade).

Hi, thanks for that...I'm sure he wasn't a master mariner else it'd be stated. I'm still unclear what a merchant mariner would have done though.

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Yorkshire (East Riding & York) / Merchant Mariner from Hull, early 1800s
« on: Sunday 13 November 22 16:35 GMT (UK)  »
Hi
My ancestor was a merchant mariner in Hull in the early 1800s (this from his Widow's census records in 1871, where she was living in a Mariners Alms House).

What exactly did a merchant mariner do?

Thanks

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Yorkshire (East Riding & York) Lookup Requests / Re: John Greaves -1861
« on: Sunday 13 November 22 11:12 GMT (UK)  »
1861 census- 16 Charles Square, Sculcoates, Kingston Upon Hull

John Graves 38 Shipwright born Hull
Catherine Graves 68 mother /widowed
Catherine 17 Milliner
Robert 11  scholar
Maria 7  scholar

Hi, yes this one is his father. It's nice they have 3 generations with the same name, it's also confusing when some were alive at the same time.

Thanks

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Yorkshire (East Riding & York) Lookup Requests / Re: John Greaves -1861
« on: Sunday 13 November 22 10:49 GMT (UK)  »
1841 Edward Street Kingston Upon Hull

Catherine "Greens"  45 (sp) ink is smudged transcribed as
John 20 Shipwright

both born in county

Next door is a John Railey age 90 corn maker born in County

I like this one; looking at my tree I was unable to locate his mother Catherine in the 1841 census, this would fit in terms of age, occupation, and her marital status. Of course in 1851 John was also on Edward Street. This also provides a location for John Reylar (spelling all over the place in records for this surname), who I otherwise would have presumed to be dead.

slight amendment: The occupation would match that of his father (Shipwright); it's possible he started out in this though. I'm wondering to compare the neighbours either side on the census with those in 1851 which would confirm.

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Yorkshire (East Riding & York) Lookup Requests / Re: John Greaves -1861
« on: Saturday 12 November 22 23:35 GMT (UK)  »
You quote this address in 1871

1871: 18 collier street, providence place, Hull, Yorkshire, England.

At this address is
John GRAVES aged 30 born Hull
Elizabeth Graves aged 22 born Hull
Ada Graves aged 0 born Hull

GRAVES, ADA       mmn YOUNG 
GRO Reference: 1870  D Quarter in HULL  Volume 09D  Page 203       

Marriages Jun 1870   
Graves    John        Hull    9d   305   
Rogerson    William        Hull    9d   305    
WILSON    Mary Jane        Hull    9d   305    
YOUNG    Ann Elizabeth        Hull    9d   305

3 records, 3 Graves no Greaves.

John   

Hi, yes that's right. The name only seems to have settled as "Greaves" spelling  in the late 1800s.

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Yorkshire (East Riding & York) Lookup Requests / Re: John Greaves -1861
« on: Saturday 12 November 22 13:42 GMT (UK)  »
Exactly where is he in 1851 and 1871?

1851: 7 Union Street / Edward Street, Sculcoates, Yorkshire, England

1871: 18 collier street, providence place, Hull, Yorkshire, England

Thanks

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