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Armed Forces / Re: Army Emergency Reserve
« on: Saturday 19 July 25 21:04 BST (UK) »
Thanks, Andy.
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Armed Forces / Army Emergency Reserve
« on: Saturday 19 July 25 15:57 BST (UK) »
I've been looking at someone who was in the Army Emergency Reserve (AER) for 2 years between 1958 and 1960. Royal Corps of Signals.
I really don't know much about this, so would be grateful for any advice.
Would a soldier have carried out his National Service before enlisting in the AER ? This guy was 22 in 1958, so that seems likely.
He was discharged under: "Army Emergency Reserve Regulations 1956 paragraph 118 XIII"
Does anyone have any idea what that meant ?
I really don't know much about this, so would be grateful for any advice.
Would a soldier have carried out his National Service before enlisting in the AER ? This guy was 22 in 1958, so that seems likely.
He was discharged under: "Army Emergency Reserve Regulations 1956 paragraph 118 XIII"
Does anyone have any idea what that meant ?
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World War One / Re: 2 x Service Numbers in RFA
« on: Saturday 05 July 25 13:29 BST (UK) »
I've found a partial record for this man online, though I've no idea of its provenance.
This gives:
10 Dec 1915 - Volunteered
10 May 1916 - Called up for Service
3 Jul 1917 - Transferred from 1st Wessex Bde RFA to B Battery 227 Bde RFA in Trowbridge
21 Jan 1920 - Transferred to Army Reserve
If correct, and it looks valid, this suggests that our man stayed with a TF unit even after transferring to the Reguar Army.
Looking again at the longlongtrail explanation, this states that a man's Service Number would only change when he was actually transferred outside of his Corps. So presumably our man retained his TF number until it was updated in c.March,1917. He would then have changed to a Regular Service Number when he was moved to 227 Brigade, RFA.
That all looks to work.
As I understand it, 217 Brigade, RFA was the 1/3rd Wessex Brigade, RFA (TF) component. While 227 Brigade, RFA was the 2/3rd Wessex Brigade, RFA (TF) component. Continued references to the 3rd Wessex Brigade, RFA (TF) would therefore actually refer to the 3/3rd Wessex Brigade, RFA (TF) component.
This gives:
10 Dec 1915 - Volunteered
10 May 1916 - Called up for Service
3 Jul 1917 - Transferred from 1st Wessex Bde RFA to B Battery 227 Bde RFA in Trowbridge
21 Jan 1920 - Transferred to Army Reserve
If correct, and it looks valid, this suggests that our man stayed with a TF unit even after transferring to the Reguar Army.
Looking again at the longlongtrail explanation, this states that a man's Service Number would only change when he was actually transferred outside of his Corps. So presumably our man retained his TF number until it was updated in c.March,1917. He would then have changed to a Regular Service Number when he was moved to 227 Brigade, RFA.
That all looks to work.
As I understand it, 217 Brigade, RFA was the 1/3rd Wessex Brigade, RFA (TF) component. While 227 Brigade, RFA was the 2/3rd Wessex Brigade, RFA (TF) component. Continued references to the 3rd Wessex Brigade, RFA (TF) would therefore actually refer to the 3/3rd Wessex Brigade, RFA (TF) component.
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World War One / Re: 2 x Service Numbers in RFA
« on: Wednesday 02 July 25 18:26 BST (UK) »
Cheers guys, very helpful.
I found a few servicemen with numbers around Albert's #860670, but got a bit confused by the scatter of dates at which they enlisted. Some had served with 3rd Wessex Bde (T) pre-war, and at least one enlisted direct in April,1916. The renumbering would explain that.
#860671 & #860679 both transferred to the Regular Army in January,1917. Which I presumed would also be the case with Albert.
However, consulting the wonderful longlongtrail website, the TF re-numbering took place in c.March,1917. So if they transferred to the Regulars in January,1917, wouldn't they have by-passed the TF renumbering ?
Or, as I've come to believe, is the situation more complex than it seems ? ;-)
I found a few servicemen with numbers around Albert's #860670, but got a bit confused by the scatter of dates at which they enlisted. Some had served with 3rd Wessex Bde (T) pre-war, and at least one enlisted direct in April,1916. The renumbering would explain that.
#860671 & #860679 both transferred to the Regular Army in January,1917. Which I presumed would also be the case with Albert.
However, consulting the wonderful longlongtrail website, the TF re-numbering took place in c.March,1917. So if they transferred to the Regulars in January,1917, wouldn't they have by-passed the TF renumbering ?
Or, as I've come to believe, is the situation more complex than it seems ? ;-)
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World War One / 2 x Service Numbers in RFA
« on: Wednesday 02 July 25 16:04 BST (UK) »
I have a Gunner in the RFA who has 2 Service Numbers associated with him.
#860670 (T) - I believe this places him with the 3rd Wessex Bde, RFA (T) in 1916.
Looking at closely matched Service Numbers suggests that he transferred from Territorial Force to the Regulars in January,1917.
#281560 - would this have been his re-issued Service Number on joining the Regular Army ?
He qualified for the award of the BWM & VM.
This all sort of fits, but I'm really not sure.
#860670 (T) - I believe this places him with the 3rd Wessex Bde, RFA (T) in 1916.
Looking at closely matched Service Numbers suggests that he transferred from Territorial Force to the Regulars in January,1917.
#281560 - would this have been his re-issued Service Number on joining the Regular Army ?
He qualified for the award of the BWM & VM.
This all sort of fits, but I'm really not sure.
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Armed Forces / Re: Designations within the 14th Field Brigade, RA
« on: Friday 06 June 25 08:10 BST (UK) »
Thanks, Mark, I'd seen conflicting reports of when the 14th arrived in India, so it's nice to know that it was definitely already there when our man arrived.
And thanks for that, Andy. That makes sense - our man remained with the 38th Field Battery throughout his time in India. But this moved from the 14th to the 61st Field Brigade in March,1929.
I found it hard to locate anything online about Brigades and Batteries in the inter-war years. I couldn't find anything at all on the 61st.
Thanks again.
And thanks for that, Andy. That makes sense - our man remained with the 38th Field Battery throughout his time in India. But this moved from the 14th to the 61st Field Brigade in March,1929.
I found it hard to locate anything online about Brigades and Batteries in the inter-war years. I couldn't find anything at all on the 61st.
Thanks again.
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Armed Forces / Designations within the 14th Field Brigade, RA
« on: Thursday 05 June 25 20:43 BST (UK) »
I have a soldier who served with the 14th Field Brigade, RA in India between 1926 and 1930.
However some of the Brigade's Battery designations have got me stumped.
I believe (?) that the 14th Bde comprised the 39th, 68th, 88th Batteries at this time.
He was posted to the 14th in Feb 1926 but presumably first had to take passage out to India. After his arrival (?) in March,1926 he was posted to the 38/14th Field Battery. Does this signify the 38th Battery in the 14th Brigade ? Or a combined 38th & 14th Batteries ? And when did these become part of the 14th Bde ?
In March,1929, he was transferred to the 38/61st Field Battery. Again, is this a combined 38th and 61st Battery ? But still in the 14th Bde ?
I'd be grateful if a more knowledgable head could put me on the right path.
However some of the Brigade's Battery designations have got me stumped.
I believe (?) that the 14th Bde comprised the 39th, 68th, 88th Batteries at this time.
He was posted to the 14th in Feb 1926 but presumably first had to take passage out to India. After his arrival (?) in March,1926 he was posted to the 38/14th Field Battery. Does this signify the 38th Battery in the 14th Brigade ? Or a combined 38th & 14th Batteries ? And when did these become part of the 14th Bde ?
In March,1929, he was transferred to the 38/61st Field Battery. Again, is this a combined 38th and 61st Battery ? But still in the 14th Bde ?
I'd be grateful if a more knowledgable head could put me on the right path.
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The Common Room / Re: Where was this Will proven ?
« on: Thursday 29 May 25 08:08 BST (UK) »
Thanks Alexander.
I hadn't picked-up on the FS reference.
And, as we all know, they can be annoyingly vague about where information came from.
The Northumberland diocese (including Newcastle-on-Tyne) wasn't separated from Durham until 1882, so long after the introduction of civil probate in 1858.
This all sounds a bit mysterious, but at least I have a lead to follow now.
And thanks for the book link, Mark - that's a real puzzle.
The book was published in 1827 and includes Miles' burial (he was, indeed, a Master Mariner).
However, he was buried at Ballast Hills Cemetery on 1 Mar 1829 !
"Curiouser and curiouser"
Thank you all for responding.
I hadn't picked-up on the FS reference.
And, as we all know, they can be annoyingly vague about where information came from.
The Northumberland diocese (including Newcastle-on-Tyne) wasn't separated from Durham until 1882, so long after the introduction of civil probate in 1858.
This all sounds a bit mysterious, but at least I have a lead to follow now.
And thanks for the book link, Mark - that's a real puzzle.
The book was published in 1827 and includes Miles' burial (he was, indeed, a Master Mariner).
However, he was buried at Ballast Hills Cemetery on 1 Mar 1829 !
"Curiouser and curiouser"
Thank you all for responding.
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The Common Room / Re: Where was this Will proven ?
« on: Wednesday 28 May 25 17:53 BST (UK) »
It's a thought, Lizzie.
But the Will is definitely for the Miles who died in 1829 - he was born c.1741 which fits with everything we know about him.
The Will obviously exists as it is transcribed in full on the One-Name site.
But I can't find it.
But the Will is definitely for the Miles who died in 1829 - he was born c.1741 which fits with everything we know about him.
The Will obviously exists as it is transcribed in full on the One-Name site.
But I can't find it.