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hallmark just read that now but don't see a Scottish link
so I found this
Hi Simon, I am researching the McGruther name in Scotland.I hope what little I have on the Irish connection is of help to you.
The McGruder/McGruther etc name goes back to the 14th century in the Scottish records.They originally lived near Crieff on the land of the Drummonds, the Dukes of Perth where they were servants, chamberlains, tenants and latterly minor landholders in their own right.When the Drummonds said 'Jump', they jumped!
About 1600 - 1625 the Drummonds were amongst several Scottish nobility given the opportunity to settle dependants in the North of Ireland in County Monaghan and nearby.These servants, who were Episcopalians, were offered parcels of land of their own and thus given the opportunity to move from being tenants in Scotland to being landowners in their own right in Ireland.
I believe it highly probable ( I have not found records) that the McGruders were either pleased to take up this chance or coerced into it, and the name has since developed into McGrother in Ireland, just as it has become McGrouther, McGrewther, and McGruther etc in Scotland and Magruder in USA.
If you want to look for your immediate Irish ancestors, try County Monaghan.
Regards, Don

so don that's not what I have on record
what I have is that
in the early 1600s after queen Elizabeth died aka kinsale king james took over and he did request
About 1600 - 1625 the Drummonds were amongst several Scottish nobility given the opportunity to settle dependants in the North of Ireland in County Monaghan and nearby.These servants, who were Episcopalians, were offered parcels of land of their own and thus given the the opportunity to move from being tenants in Scotland to being landowners in their own right in Ireland.
They originally lived near Crieff on the land of the Drummonds, the Dukes of Perth where they were servants, chamberlains, tenants and latterly minor landholders in their own right.When the Drummonds said 'Jump', they jumped!
but don when they jumped they jumped to tyrone where john drummon from perth Scotland an undertaker took lands and if they went with him they settled 1600 1630s in tyrone
because colonel blayney and the earl of Essex had settled monaghan well before john Drummond got to tyrone and hallmark has given the list above but still I am to discover if its a welsh jig crossover to monaghan or if its a cross dycher over to tyrone  so reeling on
1697  1697 The majority of Scots who migrated to Northern Ireland came as part of this organized settlement scheme of 1605-1697. Plantation settlements were confined to the Province of Old Ulster, in the Counties of Antrim, Down, Armagh, Tyrone, Donegal, Cavan, Fermanagh, and Londonderry. As many as 200,000 Scots crossed the North Channel to settle in Ulster in this approximately 90 year period. County Monaghan, although part of Old Ulster was not a Plantation county but it did receive Scots settlers in the 17th century as witness the First Monaghan Presbyterian Church in Monaghan Town which celebrated its Tercentenary in 1997. 1997-1897-1797-1697 300 years The Plantation of Ulster took place in two stages. The first stage was confined to the two eastern counties of Antrim and Down. The initiative was taken by Scottish fortune seekers.   
but don further to confuse the issue
from the census 1901 1911 mcgruthers mcgrothers McGruder are to be found antrim down Dublin louth monaghan Westmeath 
so maybe simons mcgrother connection may take him to monaghan where an Edward mcgrother was born circa 1861 but there again maybe antrim down Dublin louth and Westmeath might also be his link     
Hi all
my surname is McGrother.
My family is from the north east of England, back to about 1860 when James and Catherine McGrother (still the same spelling), with a son Bernard, moved from Ireland to Middlesbrough.
Prior to that the trail goes cold. There were 2 other McGrother families in Middlesbrough at the 1881 census: Peter&Bridget with 7 kids and Mary with 2 daughters.

I do not know if my own family linked with these other 2, but all of Peter, Bridget and Mary were also born in Ireland, so it seems plausible they moved en masse.

My questions:
(a) does anyone know how to trace James, Catherine, etc back to Ireland? Where they came from? Their ancestors?
(b) Does anyone have a McGruther/McGruder/etc line that comes to a dead end in mid 19th century? Could be a name change to my line perhaps?

Thanks in advance
so as I cant message simon mcgrother to inform him of the above if you don happen to know his contact details you could contact him that's if he has not already accessed the above information

donn posted I have been researching the McGruther name in Scotland and concluded that they came to Monaghan as settlers about 1625, as the Duke of Perth on whose land they lived was one of the Undertakers.

I posted  6. DYKER is a name largely confined to the same Perth, the Scottish landlord who owned the land the family tenanted in County Monaghan, came from
I don't mention that they were undertakers
so why are you requesting this info from me                                                         

1591 the ownership of the land is different from its occupation and some areas of land and estates became more highly colonised by tenantry than others county monaghan was not included in the official plantation because in 1591 its land ownership had been reorganised mainly amongst the irish themselves though with a significant number of new English owners too and their numbers were to increase in the early 17th century the rationale for this reorganisation in 1591 had been to diminish the autonomy and independent power of an ulster gaelic lord mcmahon   
1598 colonel edward blayney was the third son of David Lloyd blayney the high sheriff of Montgomeryshire 1577 and 1585   originally Blaenau family of welsh extraction claim descent from Cadwallader a younger son of a prince of wales accompanied the earl of essex to Ireland as colonel he was in command of 100 foot soldiers in leinster in 1598
1599 and commanding 150 at newry in 1599
1600 distinguished himself at the four mile water
1601 at the siege of Kinsale
1601 governor of mount Norris after helping defeat the macmahons
1602 made governor of the garrison of monaghan                                                                            1603 for his bravery Edward was knighted at Dublin castle in 1603 by the lord deputy lord mountjoy
1604 made seneschal and governor of county monaghan
1607 edward blayney granted land by king james 1 namely the 32 townlands of ballylurgan which were to be forfeighted if he does not build a strong castle surrounded withy a stone trench called a bawne within the next four years
1611 edward blayney was granted the termon of muckno and he built the original castle blayney on lough muckno using the stones of a destroyed augustian friary it was from the construction of this castle that a planter village soon grew and developed into the present town of castleblayney
1613 1617 permission was granted to hold fairs and markets and with the construction of the castle and the growth of the village edward blayney and the town of castleblayney Edward consolidated his position both locally and at national level
1613 edward blayney elected member of parliament mp for county monaghan between 1613 and 1615
1615 edward blayney investiture as a privy counsellor pc for Ireland 1615
1621 july 29th he was created by james 1 the first 1st lord blayney baron of the county monaghan of the county monaghan   
1629 february 11th edward blayney 1st lord blayney died
1629 february 23rd buried monaghan church monaghan greatest of all the monaghan landlords was sir Edward blayney who was succeeded by his son henry
1646 henry was killed in the battle of benburb                                                                                henrys son Edward sold both the monaghan and castleblayney estates                                              but the castleblayney estate was bought back                                                                                  the monaghan part however went to the westenras who later became the lord rossmores and these did not always enjoy a particualily happy relationship with the native irish
so maybe that explains the monaghan lands being planted but not by undertakers 

DUKE OF PERTH (Broun's Reel or Clean Pease Strae) (R8x32) 3C (4C set) RSCDS Book 1
1- 8 1s turn RH, cast to 2nd place, turn LH to face 1st corners
9-16 1s turn 1st corner, partner, 2nd corner and partner to face 1st corners
17-24 1s set to and turn 1st corner 2H, set to and turn 2nd corner
25-32 1s dance Reel of 3 on opposite sides giving LSh to 1st corner and cross back to own sides. 213
(MINICRIB, Dance Crib compiled by Charles Upton, Deeside Caledonian Society, and his successors)

Duke of Perth
Anon   RSCDS Book 1
Reel   8 x 32 bars   3 Couple Repeat   4 Couple Set   Longwise Set
  1-4   1s turn by the right and cast;
  5-8   1s turn by the left, finishing facing first corners;
  9-16 1s turn corner, partner, corner, partner;
17-20 1s set to first corners and turn both hands;
21-24 1s set to second corners and turn both hands;
25-30 2s1s3s reels of 3 on sides (left shoulder to first corners to start);
31-32 1s cross to own sides, finishing 2s1s3s.

take to the floor the duke of perth dance begins its a  Scottish reel one two three 
on the right hand side the baron of boorland and the duke of perth and the dykers
one two three one two three move from Scotland to northern eire take your partner and give them a twirl   
on the left hand side its a gaelic jig or is it a reel one two three four one tow three four 
john Drummond of boorland tyrone   john Drummond duke of perth of monagahn  the mcgruther and the dichears     
cross back to own sides eire to Scotland and in the blue corner we have the dummonds and in the red corner we have the mcgregors one two three pow wow punch one two three four bash crash wallop haymaker   

“1612. March. At this time a skirmish took place between the Earl of Perth at the Head of a considerable force composed partly of MacGregors who had taken the name of Drummond and a body of MacGregors at Tomzarloch, the latter having occupied some houses were dislodged by means of fire applied, when five were captured and six killed. The killed were John Dow MacGregor, Donald Gramich MacGregor VcCulchere, John McPhatrik Nadidin MacGregor VcCulchere, Gregor McEan VcEanan MacGregor Elensisens (Gillespie?) MacGregor. The Earl’s force is thus specified in a pardon issued to them early in 1614, as appears from Mag. Sig. quoted at the proper date.

“John Earl Perth (2. Earl) John Master of Madertie James Drummond his brother Sir Alexander Drummond of Carnock Knight, Alexander brother of Sir William Drummond of Hawthornden, James Drummond of Millness, David Drummond, Chamberlain of Drymen, Thomas Drummond of Drummowhence, x John Drummond of Innerzeldie, x James Drummond his brother, x Duncan Drummond late of Kincart beg, x Duncan Drummond in Pitluir, x Duncan Drummond in Wester Dundorne, James Drummond officer, Patrick Drummond in Dalmarklawis* John Drummond in Auchinskelloch,* Duncan Drummond in Mawia, James Drummond in Balliclone, Patrick Drummond in Williamsoune, x John Drummmond in Wester Dundorne, Alexander Stewart in Port, Alexander Reidheugh* David Malloch, John Drummond of Drummondearnoch, Patrick Drummond forester of Glenartney,* John McCoruther, James Drummond of Pitzalloun* Malcolm McAndrew in Dundorn, James Stewart late in Torry,* James Menzies in Mewis William McNiven in Glen Artney,* John McCoruther in Blairtown, James Dow in Glenkishon.

Mr. MacGregor has marked with a cross those who he considers were MacGregors, adding that more might have been, and several others, who seem probable, are now marked with a star

one round with McGregor is enough I think the bell sounds back to your corners drummoind to the blue McGregor to the red

 John McCoruther, John McCoruther in Blairtown, now I ask the following

1625 I have been researching the McGruther name in Scotland and concluded that they came to Monaghan as settlers about 1625, as the Duke of Perth on whose land they lived was one of the Undertakers   
are these mccoruther the mcgruthers that dance the duke of perth Scottish reel and end up in tyrone or maonaghan doing an irish jig or reel or are the mccorthers a totally differenrt family line
any one else inj Scotland taking a partner and doing a Scottish jig or reel one two three one two three or do you prefer to do a gaelic dance one two three four one two three foue or better still can we cross back over and do a baron Drummond duke of perth now all together one two three one two three four and again one two three one two three four where are my dichers in this dance 

1625 I have been researching the McGruther name in Scotland and concluded that they came to Monaghan as settlers about 1625, as the Duke of Perth on whose land they lived was one of the Undertakers
Elwyn Soutter  you are researching the mcgruther name in Scotland     and from your information I gather
the mcgruther were residing in Scotland with the duke of perth pre 1625                                                         ---1a where did you get this information from              --- 1b and could you advise me where in Scotland was this estate                                                                    ----1c you seem to be saying that there are no dichears dykers on the records pre 1825 on this duke of perth estate at 1b
then you seem to record
that the duke of perth came over to monaghan            ---2a do you know where he came over to in monaghan ---and that he brought some mcgruthers with him who ended up settling in monaghan                                ----2b could you advise me where they the mcgruthers settled in monaghan                                              -----as I have a tentative link that the dykers came over with the duke of perth and settled here in Ireland and they may have settled near or around the area where the mcgruthers settled around 1620s 1630s  1630s         ---but there is no record of these dyckers on the muster rolls except for at castlemaine county cavan
so I was wondering                                                        3a did the duke of perth have other estates in Ireland or did he only have the one estate and if he had one or more do you happen to know the locations of same from your research
again thanking you in advance for nay information that you may be able to share and provide me with