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Staffordshire / Re: Sunnerton (Swinnerton )
« on: Friday 23 December 22 15:48 GMT (UK)  »
Hi swinno,

I think we have connected in the past on the Swinnerton Facebook group. Mandy here, with the medieval Swinnerton family connections (one connection being Pearsall).

I will have a look over the festive period and see if I can help you with this brick wall.

Kindest regards,

ALewis

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Staffordshire / Origins of John Wheeldon in Hanbury
« on: Saturday 14 May 22 13:03 BST (UK)  »
Hi all,

I may have found a clue to possibly break down a long-standing brick wall of mine. I am hoping to share it, to see if you think I may be on the right track.

The brick wall is my 5x great grandfather John Wheeldon. Sorry for the long post but I will start with what I know about John's son Thomas Wheeldon (my 4x great grandfather). It's his marriage that could provide the essential clue. Thomas married my 4x great grandmother Mary Betts Heap 1st March 1826 in Rolleston by banns. Marriage witnesses James Greatorex and Sarah Pool. Thomas and Mary Wheeldon ran the Four Counties Inn at No Man's Heath for a while. In all the censuses, Thomas Wheeldon gave his place of birth as Hanbury, Staffordshire, about 1803/1804.

Thomas was baptised 18th October 1803 to John and Dorothy Wheeldon in Hanbury. His surname is recorded as Wilton in the original church parish records but as Wheeldon in the Bishops Transcripts. This is the case with some of their other children too. John and Dorothy's children baptised in Hanbury include:

Thomas Wilton 1803
Ann Wilton 1801
John Wilton 1805
William Wilton 1808
Elizabeth Wilton 1810

The above records seemed to be with the parish Church of Hanbury. There is one Non-Conformist baptism in Tutbury in 1816 of a Samuel Wheeldon to John and Dorothy Wheeldon, their abode was Hanbury.

Thomas Wheeldon and Mary Betts Heap also had some of their children baptised as Non-Conformists. It is for this reason why I have been trying to track down other Non-Conformist Wheeldon records. Very confusing though with using both Non-Conformist and Church of England parish records.

There are no other Thomas Wheeldons or Thomas Wiltons baptised in Hanbury in 1803/1804. My mum and I have DNA matches to some descendants of Samuel Wheeldon (baptised 1816). I am happy that DNA proves paper trail up to John Wheeldon and Dorothy.

John Wheeldon married Dorothy Goodwin/Godwin by banns 4th November 1800 in Tutbury. Marriage witnesses Israel Deaville and Sarah Wall. John Wheeldon was buried 6th November 1817 in Hanbury, aged 43 (born about 1774). I can prove Jane Godwin's parents but I am struggling with John Wheeldon's.

The marriage witness James Greatorex to Thomas Wheeldon in 1826 may be the clue. A Thomas Wheeldon married Elizabeth Gratrix 27th August 1779 in Hanbury by banns. Thomas and Elizabeth Wheeldon had the following children baptised in Marchington:

William 1782
Mary 1784
Elizabeth 1786
Thomas 1788
Hannah 1790
Sarah 1792
William 1794
Jane 1797

I can't find any children to this couple being baptised between 1779 and 1781 - could they have had other children and the baptisms weren't recorded? Looking into the Greatorex connection further. It looks like Elizabeth Gratix was baptised as Betty Greterix 24th March 1757 in Hanbury to parents William and Ann, their other children in Hanbury include:

Sarah 1751
Ann 1753
John 1755
Mary 1759
William 1762
Thomas 1766

Thomas Greatorex (born 1766) may have married Ann Adkin 26th September 1785 in St Modwen's, Burton upon Trent by banns. Their son James Greatorex was baptised 8th June 1794 in St Modwen's, Burton upon Trent. James went on to marry Sarah Pool (other marriage witness to Thomas Wheeldon and Mary Betts Heap) 29th June 1828 in Rolleston.

I appreciate there is a lot of information to take in. I am wondering, based on the circumstantial evidence of James Greatorex being a marriage witness, that Thomas Wheeldon and Elizabeth Gratrix who married in 1779 could have been the parents of John Wheeldon (married to Dorothy Godwin)?

Thank you in advance for any help or advice. :-)



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London and Middlesex / Re: Trying to find information on Martha M Brown
« on: Tuesday 23 March 21 20:45 GMT (UK)  »
Hi heywood,

No problem about the baptism of Martha Maria Coates. I really appreciate you trying to help me with this.

Kindest regards,

ALewis

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London and Middlesex / Re: Trying to find information on Martha M Brown
« on: Tuesday 23 March 21 20:37 GMT (UK)  »
Hi heywood,

Thank you for your response. Lucy wasn't married previously. My 3x great grandparents Robert Brown and Lucy Coates married 16th May 1864 in St Luke's Church, Birmingham. They were residing in Bristol Street. Lucy's father is John Coates on the certificate, a tailor.

Lucy Coates was born in 1826 in Burton upon Trent and baptised in 1837 to parents John Coates (a tailor) and Ann (nee Bromhall).

In the 1861 census, Lucy Coates was living in Abbots Bromley as a school mistress, with her widowed mother Ann Coates. 

It does make me wonder whether their daughter Martha M Brown may have been illegitimate, if she was born approximately the year her parents married?

Kindest regards,

ALewis

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London and Middlesex / Trying to find information on Martha M Brown
« on: Tuesday 23 March 21 20:12 GMT (UK)  »
I am trying to find out further information on my great great grandfather's sister Martha M Brown. The only reference I have found of her so far is in the 1871 census in Abbots Bromley in Staffordshire. The details are:

Robert Brown, aged 36, joiner, born in Abbots Bromley, Staffordshire
Lucy Brown, aged 42, school mistress, born in Burton upon Trent, Staffordshire (maiden name Coates)
Robert Brown, aged 3, born in Abbots Bromley (my great great grandfather)
Martha M Brown, aged 7, scholar, born in London, Middlesex.

Based on the above census, Martha was born about 1864. I haven't been able to find a birth certificate, baptism or christening for her yet. I am not sure of her middle name based on her initial 'M'. I haven't found a marriage for her or a burial or death certificate.

Martha isn't living with her family in the 1881 census. They are living with Lucy's sister Mary Mason in Horninglow, Burton upon Trent. I have been unable to find Martha in other censuses.

Whilst I can trace my Brown and Coates families back in time and my great great grandfather Robert's life, I have been unable to find anything further on his sister.

Thank you in advance for any help or advice.  :)

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Derbyshire / Re: Origins of Samuel Dakin
« on: Sunday 13 December 20 15:22 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Pheno,

DNA is definitely a useful tool that helps with genealogy/family history. Mum and I have done DNA tests and we have several cousin matches and our common ancestors are William Dakin and his wife Ellen Bates (my 4x great grandparents),who lived in Hemington.

Samuel Dakin was the great grandfather of William Dakin. I can trace my paper trail (including parish records) back Samuel.

DNA also helped me to prove the biological father of my illegitimate great grandmother. Found two photographs of my now proven great great grandfather!

DNA is definitely a valuable tool, when used alongside the paper trail. :-)

Kindest regards,

ALewis

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Derbyshire / Re: Origins of Samuel Dakin
« on: Friday 11 December 20 14:41 GMT (UK)  »
Hi iluleah,

Thank you for your reply.

Samuel's will lists Thomas as his son. Up until this point, I had no evidence of who Thomas' father was. This has been a brick wall for over a decade.

Like, you I look for primary records too. I may have theories about how people were related but don't add them to my tree until I have a primary record linking them. I will leave branches for a while and come back to them and see if any new records come online. I haven't added the Spondon lot to my tree yet as I can't prove the connection. Only added Samuel as Thomas' father and Ellen as his mother with a '?' next to her name.

Thank you for providing further information on the occupation of the blacksmith and the link to Lockington Hall. Much appreciated, will definitely look into this. :-)

Kindest regards,

ALewis


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Derbyshire / Re: Origins of Samuel Dakin
« on: Thursday 10 December 20 13:49 GMT (UK)  »
The only thing preventing me with going with the 1709 Spondon baptism is a Samuel Dakin and Elizabeth had two children baptised in Spondon. Ann in 1735 and Griffin in 1738. This Samuel was buried 26th July 1739 in Spondon. Mentions wife Elizabeth and children Ann and Griffin in his will.

It is possible that this Samuel Dakin was baptised 4th December 1675, Spondon to parents Griffin and Ann. This ties in with naming conventions of his kids. He would have been in his 60's when his children were born though.

There is only one burial in Spondon I can find in the 1700s. So perhaps the younger Samuel Dakin baptised 1709 moved to another parish?

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Derbyshire / Origins of Samuel Dakin
« on: Thursday 10 December 20 13:43 GMT (UK)  »
Hi, I am just wondering if anybody can help me try and make sense of my Dakin family please. Sorry for the long post. I will provide what information I can.

I have found the will of Samuel Dakin (my 7x great grandfather), dated 1785, Hemington, of the parish of Lockington in Leicestershire. His occupation was a blacksmith.

From the will and parish records of Lockington, I have discovered he was married twice. He was first married to Ellen. Ellen Dakin was buried 28th November 1746, in Lockington, wife of Samuel. Samuel then married Elizabeth Cotton 29th December 1747 in Lockington.

These are the children from the two marriages and mentioned in his will:

Samuel and Ellen:

1. Thomas Dakin (my 6x great grandfather). No baptism found but mentioned in will. Married Ann Wall, 1760 in Lockington.

2. Ellinor Dakin, baptised 1741, Lockington

3. Samuel Dakin, baptised 1744, Lockington.

Samuel and Elizabeth:

1. Mary Dakin, baptised 1748, Lockington.

2. William Damin, baptised 1752, Lockington.

3. Robert Dakin, baptised 1758, Lockington.

Samuel mentioned a son John Dakin in his will. No baptism found.

Samuel Dakin was buried 4th February 1785 in Lockington. Incredibly, it gives his age of 74 (born about 1711).

I believe that my direct ancestor Thomas Dakin is the son of Ellen. No marriage has been found in Leicestershire for Samuel and Ellen.

The most likely marriage I can find is Samuel Dakin marrying Ellen Steanson 27th December 1735 in Ashbourne, Derbyshire. Samuel was of Etwall, Derbyshire and Ellen of Spondon, Derbyshire. They married by licence. Samuel's occupation was yeoman and he was about 24 (born about 1711). Ellen was about 19. A James Dakin, of Ashbourne, yeoman, is mentioned with paying the licence.

I have found Hellen Stenson being baptised 1st September 1714, Spondon to Joseph and Margaret.

I am struggling to establish the baptism of Samuel Dakin though. The only likely baptism I can find in Leicestershire/Derbyshire is Samuel Dakin is 12th December 1709 in Spondon to William and Mary. This looks good as, it would tie in with Samuel being born about 1711 and his wife from Spondon.

If Spondon looks to be the baptism of Samuel, I can't tie him in with the James Dakin of Ashbourne (mentioned in the marriage licence).

Thank you in advance for any help or advice.  :)

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