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Limerick / Re: Mayfield family Limerick
« on: Thursday 10 July 25 11:03 BST (UK)  »
Freeman’s Journal of 31 July 1830 - On Sunday Mr. James Henry Mayfield of Dublin to Miss Elen Maria Frewen daughter of Mr Thomas Frewen Esq of Limerick.

There are too many contemporaneous ‘Thomas Frewen’ males to be definite but I suspect that this Thomas was of Coolreiry (near Castleconnell), a younger son of Thomas Frewen and Margaret Dundon. The latter pair eloped and married 1805 in Portpatrick, Scotland where the law allowed a couple to marry at 16, and without parental consent.

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Dublin / Re: frewen family
« on: Thursday 18 July 24 22:37 BST (UK)  »
Hi Sam,
I have just discovered your post – it seems updates on this board appear not to be 'pushed’?
In fairness, Jonathan's tree is not wrong, he was not detailing a descendent tree – he was listing his own male line down through Moreton F ( 1853-1924). You probably already know your descent - your grandfather Reginald Edward Frewen married Mabel Inkster daughter of William Cullen Inkster of Trent River, Ontario, Canada. Reginald’s  parents were Edward Laton Frewen (1877-1941) and Ethel Salter and his grandparents were  Edward Frewen (1850-1919) and Mary Byng. Edward was the older brother of Moreton F. mentioned earlier, which makes you and Jonathan  third cousins once removed.
Regards,
Bob

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Dublin / Re: frewen family
« on: Sunday 07 April 24 00:53 BST (UK)  »
Jonathan,
Thanks for that info. I’ve not progressed beyond Richard F who was Bailiff of Worcester in 1473. I have some records of ‘odd’ Frewens prior to that date, around Hanley Castle (and elsewhere) but cannot connect them to Richard. (Mainly from Dr. Toomey's work.)

Rev. John  F (d1628) is our common ancestor, you descend from his son Stephen, the Irish branch from Thomas, a son from Rev. John’s second marriage (to Helen Hunt).
Arthur F (1912-2002) the teacher/playwright you mention also had a play staged in the Abbey Theatre in Dublin, and there is a record of his correspondence with Micheál Mac Liammóir in the National Library (or Nat. Archives?). Arthur was one of the sons of William the solicitor mentioned above and was an older brother of. William F MD. The latter married Eileen Courteney, whose sister Kathleen Courteney married Josef Vandenbergh, hence the connection.
I’ve sent you a message on LinkedIn – use it to send me your email so we can continue in a less public forum.
Best wishes,
Bob

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Dublin / Re: frewen family
« on: Saturday 06 April 24 10:58 BST (UK)  »
Hi Jonathan,
Six years is nothing in the history of the Frewens!
The visit by you and your father was to Robert Anthony (Robin) Frewen at ‘Ardnachree’, originally his parents’ home in Tipperary. He succeeded his father William (1862-1933) in the family law firm, still extant as ‘Kennedy Frewen’ but it no longer has a family connection. Although William had 12 children, including seven sons, only one son married, and he had just one son who is unmarried. William’s daughters had issue in Ireland and Canada. That branch is connected to mine in the 1700s.

Regarding the Frewen branch in Ireland, there is a considerable amount of misinformation online, due to widespread copy/paste of erroneous data or unsourced assertions. From his correspondence with Ireland’s Ulster King (Chief Herald) it's evident your great great grandfather, Thomas F of Northiam (1811-70) was unaware that after the death of Joseph F (1598-1602) another Joseph was born (1606). The omission was repeated by H. Warne in the catalogue of the Frewen papers. However, Joseph is mentioned several times in the 1628 will of his father Rev. John. I am confident that the ‘Captain Frewen’ killed at Kilkenny in 1650 was this Joseph and the founder was Thomas, whose older half-brother, Thankful, in his will of 1656, has Thomas as a beneficiary.
Glad to be of help on the Irish branch if required.


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The Lighter Side / Re: New GRO download feature? Will they extend births after 1922 at some point?
« on: Thursday 04 January 24 17:26 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: AntonyMMM on Thursday 04 January 24 12:14 GMT (UK)
Quote from: Bob Frewen on Thursday 04 January 24 12:08 GMT (UK)
In Ireland. GRO records involving  personal data are closed for the lifetime of individuals which is assumed to be 100 years. There also are GDPR regulations (e.g. Elector registers have been taken down from online). The 100 year rule also applies to the Census. There is a basis in law for this, it is not arbitrary.
Familysearch has done its own thing, transcribing GRO records over recent decades.

We are lucky in the UK that access to birth/marriage/death records is granted by statute, and so not subject to GDPR/Data Protection legislation ...... if that were to change doing research within the last 100 years would become a lot more difficult !

Not quite, although current English restrictions don’t concern genealogists. There was a 100-year rule which was shortened to 30yrs by the the Public Records Act 1967 which in turn was replaced by the Freedom of Information Act 2000, lowering the limit to the current 20 years. Some records deemed ‘sensitive’ remain inaccessible and have higher limits. I don’t know what prevails in  N. Irl and Scotland, but GDPR in the UK is almost identical to that in the EU, having been ‘lifted’ and shoved into your 2018 Data Protection Act. In Ireland its 100/75/25 yrs for BMDs but there are some work-arounds.
It's also worth remembering that a birth in 1923 and registered in 1924 won't appear until next year.

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Dublin / Re: Ryan shot by IRA in Hyne's/Shanahan's pub
« on: Thursday 04 January 24 12:26 GMT (UK)  »
There is much more info, photos, etc on Shanahan's including my 2018 comment https://comeheretome.com/2017/07/13/phil-shanahans-monto-pub/

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The Lighter Side / Re: New GRO download feature? Will they extend births after 1922 at some point?
« on: Thursday 04 January 24 12:08 GMT (UK)  »
In Ireland. GRO records involving  personal data are closed for the lifetime of individuals which is assumed to be 100 years. There also are GDPR regulations (e.g. Elector registers have been taken down from online). The 100 year rule also applies to the Census. There is a basis in law for this, it is not arbitrary.
Familysearch has done its own thing, transcribing GRO records over recent decades.

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Kent / Re: Goodwins at Ash
« on: Saturday 08 October 22 12:05 BST (UK)  »
I have considerable genealogical detail on the Northiam Frewen family (Brickwall Frewens descend from Stephen F, son of . Rev. JohnF d1628). I have no mention anywhere of a Northiam Frewen / Gilson marriage.

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Dublin / Re: frewen family
« on: Wednesday 21 March 18 21:44 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Donno,
If you come across anything new give me a shout and I’ll see if I can add anything to it, if only to rule it out! I have a collection of various Limerick Frewen family oddments, some of which were given to me by Allan Frewen Chapman (of Mass., USA), an authority on the Limerick branch. He and his late wife were keen genealogists - his maternal line is from a Castleconnell Frewen, Francis, a son of John Frewen of Woodpark, and Elizabeth Jane, third daughter of Vere Dawson Hunt of Cappagh Co. Tipperary who married in May 1831. Thanks to his work I have been able to resolve many questions on Frewens in the US and tie them in to Tipperary or Limerick branches. Best of luck with the research
Regards
Bob
PS The Blanchfield  surname - surely that is of Norman origin and not Huguenot?

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