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Staffordshire / Re: Chorley Institute and Farewell Church
« on: Thursday 25 December 25 12:12 GMT (UK)  »
Bit of a puzzle, but, hey ho, something to give the little grey cells a work out.  ;D ;D

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Staffordshire / Re: Chorley Institute and Farewell Church
« on: Wednesday 24 December 25 15:27 GMT (UK)  »
Francis Stonier died on the 25th November 1924. The inauguration of the Chorley Institute was on the 5th November, but Francis was too ill to attend. He was a church warden between 1901 and 1906; the 1936 date in the newspaper was a mistake, corrected in later editions.

We know that his son Archibald emigrated to Canada, he is on the 1921 Canadian census on the same page as his brother Charles Ronald Stuart Stonier. He also appears on several passenger lists, with the earliest being 1905 when he was only 16, and in subsequent lists in 1911, from Quebec to Liverpool , and 1923 from Liverpool to Montreal. On those lists he is listed as a miner, and the 1921 Canada census has him working in a silver mine. Who, then, is the Archibald Stonier working with Frank Stonier in 1912 as a miller and farmer? Who is the Archibald Stonier working with Angus John M Stonier living at The Mill, Fiskerton-cum-Morton in 1922?

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Staffordshire / Re: Chorley Institute and Farewell Church
« on: Monday 22 December 25 13:21 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks to eveyone for your very useful replies. Some I have seen, but as I am still actively researching this part of the famile, some I hadn't yet come across, but will chase up now that tyhey have been put up here.

I would still like to know if the prayer desk is still in the church? If it is, and as I don't live too far away, I can plan a trip to take some photos.

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Staffordshire / Chorley Institute and Farewell Church
« on: Sunday 21 December 25 19:34 GMT (UK)  »
Does anyone have any information about the Chorley Institute, in the parish of Farewell and Chorley near Lichfield? I understand that the first president was a Francis Stonier, but have been unable to discover much more about the institute, so any help would be very much appreciated.

Also, does anyone know if the carved oak prayer desk presented to St. Bartholomew's church by Archibald Stonier in 1936 is still in the Church? If so, does anyone have any pictures?

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: The will of Francis Stonier, 1721
« on: Wednesday 17 December 25 11:31 GMT (UK)  »
Once again, my sincere thanks for your help. May I take this opportunity to wish you both a very Happy Christmas and New Year, and you will be pleased (?) to know that I will be quiet for a while, but back again in the New Year  ;D ;D

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / The will of Francis Stonier, 1721
« on: Monday 15 December 25 23:11 GMT (UK)  »
Another will, and parts once again in Latin. I have made an attempt, but have been defeated by some bits. Help is needed to fill in the blanks and for any corrections to my transcription.

The first bit I have as:

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Noverint uniwsi per pri{?}s {?}os Eliza{??} Stonier de Biddulph
in Co{??}t{??} Stafford{???}i {???} et Thoma{s} Rooker de {?..?}em yeoman
   ten{?}ri et firm{?} obligari Henrico Raynes
Legum D{???}e Vicario Gen{?..?}ven {??}Lichen Diocess{?..?} fulcit m
Septuigentis ~ ~ libris {?..?} et legalis monetie magn Brittan
solvenomn eidem Hen[ri]co Raynes ant suo certo attornato Executo{?}
Admi[nis]trator vel assinatis suir {??} quam quidem soluconem bene
et fidel{?} fariendum obligamus Nos et utrumq{??}rum p se probayo
et in solido etceredos Executores et Administratores {??}os et utriusq{?}
nrum firm{?}. per pr{?.?}. Sigillis {??}is sigillate {?}st deciuso ~~
die memsis Jaunary ~ ~ Ano Dmi 1721
The Condicon of this Obligation is such That if the above bounden
Elizabeth Stonier one of the Executors named in the last Will and
Testam[en]t of Francis Stonier of Biddulph afores[ai]d deceased ~~
To whom the Tuicon and Educacon of Elizabeth Thomas Richard Anne
Mary Margaret and Rachel Stonier natural and lawful ~
Children of the said Decd

The last bit I have as:

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Apuch Lich 10 Januarii 1721 Juxta {??}
ffiat probation hmoi Testamenti ffrancisci Stonier poe de Biddulph defundi
Et Adio conorum {?}e {??} {?.....?} defundi Elizabethe Stonier vidue Relicte
dicti def ut Uni Executorum ni dicle Testameno Nominale Reservat[??}
pol{??}tate pro Richardo Stonier filio naturale ultima dicti def
altore Executors {?....?} in dicto Testamento Nominato Cuor {?.....?} {??}
Tuico pro Educatione Elizabethe Thome Richardi Anne Maria Margarete et
Rachelis liberoric dict dof    Jurat {?.?} ffancisca Coram
Ob {?.?} Exix et Thomas Rooker do Biddulph
in Cond Stoff Husbandman   Joh. Heyband Sur

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Will of William Stonehewer, 1593
« on: Sunday 14 December 25 22:52 GMT (UK)  »
Many thanks for everyone's help, it is very much appreciated, and I will incorporate the comments and advice into the research I'm working on.

If anyone is interested, the research I'm working on is into a family with the surname Stonyer, Stonier, Stanier or Stonehewer (or any of the many other variants), but specifically those of the family who have any form of connection to mills and milling, be this windmills, watermills, corn milling, silk mills, quarrying or manufacture of millstones, or whatever. I have just completed part 1 of this research which is into those Stonyers I am actually related to, or where a familial connection is supected but not yet proven. Part 2, a much larger piece of research as I'm discovering, is into all of those to whom I am not related, or at least, where a familial link cannot yet be determined. It is clear that, at the moment, there are two branches of this family who may themselves be connected in some form, and that have an extensive history, the Stoniers of Odd Rode and the Stoniers of the Hurst, in Biddulph. William Stonier of the Hurst is a particularly colourful subject, from the content of his letters to various newspapers, with what might be called some "interesting" views on religion and politics - not always comfortable reading in this politically correct day and age, but an interesting illumination of some of the views held at the time in comparison to this day and age.

I would ask, therefore, if anyone has any suggestions or references that they think may be worthwhile for me to pursue, please do let me know.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Will of William Stonehewer, 1593
« on: Friday 12 December 25 22:46 GMT (UK)  »
Back again :) My transcription of this will is:

1.   In Dei nomine Amen The fir^e^st daye of Auguste in
2.   the yeare of our Lord God a thousand five hundered four score and foue^r^tene witnesseth
3.   that I William Stonehewer of Biddulph sicke in bodie but of perfect rememberennce
4.   thankes be to god therefore, Doe make and cause this my last will and testam{en}t
5.   in manner and forme following ffirst I give and bequeathe my soule to Almightie
6.   god the maker and creator thereof trustinge to be one of godes elect children and
7.   inheritor of his heavenlie kingdome, then my bodie to be buried in the church  of
8.   Biddulph when it shall please god to call me to his mercy oute of this miserable
9.   worlde I give and bequeathe to my sonne Richard Stonehewer twentie poundes of
10.   lawful money of England and fiftie five shillings eight pence in the hand of John
11.   Stonehewer of blackwood I give and bequeath to my son John Stonehewer five
12.   markes of money which he is indebted unto me at this p{o}int and one chaffing dish now
13.   in his owne hands for and in consideration of all his whole parte of his childes p{or}t{ion}e
14.   of goddess and ten shillings to his three children that is nowe in his hands I give and
15.   and bequeath to Roger Stonehewer my son three pounds thirteen shillings fouer
16.   pence for and in consideration of all his whole parte of his childes port{ion}e of goddess I
17.   give and bequeathe to William Stonehewer my sonne twentie three shillingse foure pence
18.   that he {oweth?} me I give and bequeath to Will{ia}m Stonehewer my godsonne one longe
19.   board fouer silver spoones the best salte my sword and my sealinge ringe I give and
20.   bequesthe to Roger Bane vicar of Leek three shillings fouer pence I give and bequeathe
21.   to Ellen Stonehewer Margerye Stonehewer and Joane Stonehewer twentie shillings
22.   I give and bequeath unto Margarett Turner my servant two shillings I give and
23.   bequeathe unto John Whelocke my servant sixe pence I give and bequeathe to
24.   Thomas Stonehewer a staff my best hatt a {jerkin?} bothe of blacke {rogge?} for
25.   his paines my herriots payed my debtors payed my legaceys fulfilled my funeral
26.   expences performed and I brought home then the rest of all my goodess moveable &
27.   immoveable quick and deade I give unto Will{ia}m I give unto Will{ia}m Stonehewer
28.   and Richard Stonehewer my two sonnes equallie to be devided between them Also
29.   I doe appoynte and ordane for my executors Will{ia}m Stonehewer my sonne and
30.   Thomas Stonehewer of Cockneth my lawful and true executors and for supervisors
31.   or overseers Thomas Roker John Unwen and John Winckle to see this my Will and
32.   testament performed theire beinge witnesses Thomas Stonehewer Richard Stonehewer
33.   and Will{ia}m Stonehewer with others
34.   Probatum fuit Testamentum

The final lines granting probate I have not been able to do, except for the odd word or two, so any help on a transcription and translation would be very much appreciated, as would any corrections to spellings, capitalisation, etc.

Would reference to godson actually mean grandson?

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Will of Richard Stonyer, 1652
« on: Thursday 04 December 25 11:59 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks, that's all sorted now.  :)

Back soon with another. ;D

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