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The Common Room / Re: Interpreting an old legal document
« on: Monday 16 April 18 16:38 BST (UK)  »
Apologies, that was my 'sic', added to indicate that the original has 'SALTER' in caps. Unfortunately, I don't have a copy of the original; just the transcript provided on the Isle of Wight Family History Society website. A visit to the IOW records office is pending, and that is high on my list of docs to view and copy. Interestingly, there is no baptism record for Thomas's son John, aged 2, who is mentioned on the lease. For Thomas's next child (another Thomas), born Nov 1721, three months before Anne Salter's death, no mother is identified - unusual for Freshwater All Saints at the time.

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The Common Room / Re: Interpreting an old legal document
« on: Monday 16 April 18 14:38 BST (UK)  »
Another follow on from my recent posts re a lease document dated 29 Sep 1719 relating to Salter / Prince of Norton, Isle of Wight, :

Thomas Salter's wife Anne Salter nee Cooper was buried 23 Sep 1722, three years after the lease was signed. Unusually for the church in question (All Saints, Freshwater, Isle of Wight), the registrar has added: 'Wife of Thomas SALTER (sic) of Norton', as if there might be some doubt on the matter.

Had they split up at that point? Would this explain why Anne Salter's name is not on the lease document? If it had been, the lease could presumably have been determinable on three deaths, as opposed to just two (Thomas and two-year-old son, John). Or were wives excluded from legal documents at the time as a matter of course?

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The Common Room / Re: Interpreting an old legal document
« on: Sunday 15 April 18 11:08 BST (UK)  »
Great idea. I will get onto that. Thanks, again.

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The Common Room / Re: Interpreting an old legal document
« on: Saturday 14 April 18 22:08 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for the clarification. That helps a great deal. Reason I was interested in any pre-existing relationship is that Thomas Salter (my direct ancestor) later switched his surname and that of several subsequent children to 'Prince alias Salter'. His son (also Thomas) became 'Salter, commonly known as Prince'. Subsequently, the Prince surname took over. Thomas's baptism, in 1688 (Freshwater, Isle of Wight), was registered only in his mother's name, 'Ann'. David Prince was 41 years old and already twice married at that point. There was an Ann Salter living locally who was 14 in 1688, and apparently never married. Circumstantial, I know, but my theory is that Thomas was David Prince's illegitimate son, by Ann Salter. But I guess I'll never know for certain!

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The Common Room / Interpreting an old legal document
« on: Saturday 14 April 18 14:51 BST (UK)  »
Just wondering whether there is anyone out there up to speed on 18th century legal lingua franca. I recently uncovered the following from the National Archives relating to an ancestor of mine, and am unable to quite understand what it means:

"Counterpart lease for 99 years
Description:   
Determinable on the deaths of (2), aged 30 and John Salter, aged 2, son of (2) of cottage etc., at Norton, p. Freshwater, I.W., late occ. David Prince, now occ. (2). Consid: £8. Pays 5s. p.a.
 
(1) Joseph Whitehead, senior, of Newport, I.W., mercer

 (2) Thomas Salter of p. Freshwater, husbandman

Date:   29 September 1719"

Does it mean that a 99-year lease on the cottage is being taken over by Thomas Salter and his son, following the death of David Prince? As for Joseph Whitehead, is he witnessing the document, or is he the solicitor/conveyencer, or is he the owner of the cottage? Also, is it possible to determine any pre-existing relationship between David Prince and Thomas Salter? In other words, is it possible that the lease is being bequeathed from one to the other, as in an inheritance?

Any clarification would be most welcome!

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Devon / Re: Alias's in Devon
« on: Monday 05 March 18 17:04 GMT (UK)  »
Hi
I was fascinated to read your post of some years back regarding a Salter alias for your family. I recently traced my family (Prince) back to 18th century parish records for the Isle of Wight, Freshwater area. Bizarrely, a Salter alias shows up at around the same time as yours, as follows:

27 Oct 1728   Baptism of Timothy Prince alias Salter to Thomas
07 Mar 1730   Baptism of William Prince alias Salter to Thomas
Jul 17 1733   Baptism of Mary Prince alias Salter to Thomas
Nov 1754   Baptism of  Hannah Salter (commonly called Prince) to Thomas & Susan
Nov 1762    Burial of Thomas Salter (commonly called Prince)

There is also a note of legal proceedings relating to smuggling, dating from 1754, from the Collector to Board Letters Book 1753 - 1764:

"Whereas some time past Thomas Prince, alias Salter the Elder, William Elsbury and Thomas Warr were arrested & committed to the County Goal at Winchester for being concerned in running Goods, but by your Honours order of the 9th July last, you were pleased to signify that you had ordered the prosecution against them to be stopped in Consideration of the Informations they had given."

I initially believed the Salter alias related to some sort of familial relationship between a Salter family also resident in Freshwater at that time, and the Princes. But detailed research by myself and others has failed to reveal any link between either family (through marriage, for example).

Now, seeing that your family history also has a 'Salter alias', I'm wondering whether it might have some sort of broader significance whose meaning has been lost over time. It surely cannot be a coincidence that a 'Salter' alias shows up for two different families in different parts of southwest England at more or less the same time.

All thoughts and suggestions welcome!


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